You’re gonna have to explain that better.

 Israeli actions at the negotiating table, (meaning Israeli humans directly involved in peace talks in exclusivity, excluding all other, known human Israeli citizens that are not politicians involved directly in peace talks) indicate they are not actually interested in a Two-State resolution.

 The West Bank PLO/PA consistently return to the negotiating table, and also does not appear to "want" a Two-State solution but due to the severe power imbalance appears to be willing to take what it can get, at least for a first step.

 Hamas, which is not PLO/PA (or similar in regard to the West Bank negotiations) consistently attacks Israel.  Attacks negatively impact negotiations to the point of stopping them.  

 If Israel does not want negotiations to succeed all they have to do is let Hamas exist.  Eliminating Hamas means exclusive PLO/PA//West bank peace talks.  This assessment interprets eliminating Hamas specific to the geographical location of Gaza.  Hamas would still exist in the West Bank, or other locations, but be harder to deal with.

 Israel still has to appear interested in a Two State solution to get aid, support, money in the capacity they do now.  My assessment is they use the PLO/PA/West Bank to "negotiate" and Hamas to stop the negotiation potential of success.

Serowbot wrote on 10/13/23 at 07:08:58:


Ok, sorry my bad.

WebsterMark wrote on 10/13/23 at 12:47:04:


We didn’t negotiate with Japan, we wiped them out. We turned their country into something else completely. In fact, you could argue that there really never is peace until one side clearly and completely destroys the other.

As long as Iran and others exist in their present form, they’ll always return. Like Voldemort, they’ll come back as long as there is breath in them.

So the moral of the story is, there is no such thing as a two state solution as one as long as one of the states consists Islamic fundamentalists.

I'm not sure the Israel situation breaks down to Right and Left so cleanly.
I, for example am a big Israel supporter, as have all the recent Democrat Presidents including Biden
Thumper and Mavi have not commented.
Zev seems a bit supportive of the Palestinian cause.
He usually leans Right.

Whatever political solution you come up with, will not get implemented.
The solution does not come from religion because that is often the cause of conflict.
So politics is out and religion is out.
So what counterforce is there in the world that stops conflict?

The Japanese were not massacred. The Japanese were a nation of real warriors, and real warriors also know what surrender is.

As humanity, we will have to step it up.

And we cannot wait for the governments because they are plunging us into war. If two domestic parties are already trying to kill each other, how can they bring peace? By more war?

Eegore wrote on 10/14/23 at 11:54:09:


Jews have never said said: ‘You must be a Jew to live’

Yet Islamic fundamentalists have said: ‘You must be Muslim to live’

zevenenergie wrote on 10/14/23 at 14:22:02:


The counterforce is a bigger stick and the willingness and ability to use it.

And politics is the only solution so long as you understand the correct definition of politics which is “the process a group of people undertakes to decide on a particular course of action.”

Serious conflicts between nations absolutely need to be resolved with a clear winner, not necessarily through violence, but often. This is not true in domestic cases as, theoretically anyway, there’s a bond between the two that goes far beyond winning and losing. That doesn’t always exist with nations.

You could substitute Muslims for Jews and a couple other word and would that statement be equally accurate?

 I don't think so.  I am not aware of any Muslims utilizing Jews in the same way to hinder negotiations with Palestine/PLO/PA.