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Reply #285 - 04/29/24 at 11:16:44
 
I like that dash setup.  How do you weather protect the speedo?  What did you use for a speedo cable?  I assume you intend to end up with tach, speedo, oil press and oil temp.  The dash is very nice.  

Regarding your tach problem, that blue wire you show in your picture is just a piece of scrap you are using for the oscilloscope, correct?  That isn't the blue wire from the tach, is it?  The blue wire from the tach is for the light.  The green wire from the tach goes to the coil terminal with black/yellow wire.  It's a shame you had to cut it open.
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Reply #286 - 04/30/24 at 12:06:27
 
You are right about the instrumentation, although I initially want 2 pressure gauges.
The only weather shielding was some black paint, more to make the instrument semi invisible.
The blue wire is indeed a temporary lead to attach the scope.
At this point, cutting the tach open was the only solution, I had to see how it is made, and since it would otherwise be scrap, I might as well see if I could learn something by peeking inside.

The speedo cable. Advised by some armchair specialist on a Facebook Savage group, I purchased a cable For the GT500, and although it mated to the spedometer end, it was both too short and did not mate to the engine end. So I mounted the original cable to the engine, the GT500 cable to the instrument, and zip tied them together where they overlapped under the tank.
Then I cut them both with the angle grinder and cut the outher sheaths another 25mm back. Thus there is 25mm inner cable protruding from each cable.
I now take 125mm lengths of 20mm shrink wrap (with glue), feed them on to the cables, and stuff them as far away from the joint as convenient, so that they don't start to shrink when the soldering takes place. I also feed a brass tube, could be any metal, really, and push it up the cable.
Before all this, clean the inside cable with gasoline, heat it with a torch, blow it free from oil, rub it with emery cloth to a shine, and tin it using methods known by plumbers.
Then join the parts, so that the tinned cable ends are introduced into the copper tube, which is also tinned on the inside.
Finally heat all 3 members and apply a bit more tin to the solder joint.
After this, slide the brass tube over the joint, and shrink the wraps down from each side, so that they overjap each other, the brass tube and each their own cable end.
Hope this helps.
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Reply #287 - 05/01/24 at 01:22:49
 
Finn, you are always ready for a challenge.  Pretty cool approach on that speedo cable.  Thanks for the sketch.  Pretty neat trick.  In the event that it gives you problems, you might wanna get in touch with Fast650.  I believe he runs an Intruder speedo on his bike and if I recall correctly, he used the Intruder speedo cable.  It was a bolt on mod.

Do you think you could fabricate a clamp ring to reinstall the bezel on the tach?  Maybe you can fix that tach.  You seem to know your way around electrons & chips.

This is a picture of the Fastman's 650 Custom.  You can see the speedo on top of the tripple crown.
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Reply #288 - 05/19/24 at 12:11:24
 
I do not ride a lot, but have now covered 500 miles since the rebuild, changed oil once and tried to feel at ease with the clonking sound from the engine.
To recap: engine sounds fine when I accellerate, and during decelleration. But above 3.5K rpm, if I ease off the throttle the engine emits a clonking sound, which I assume to origin from a too large clearance between piston and cylinder. If I ease the throttle off completely, so that engine braking occours, then the clonking stops. I am on the brink of tearing the engine apart to see if something serious is going on inside, with the cylinder, but hesitate due to other things I have promissed to do for the missus, build a henhouse etc.
Today I took it for a spin, 50miles each way, and did a couple of WOT pulls from 3.5k to 5.5k in top gear. I have not got my gopro mounted yet, so I counted seconds like I did in my skydiving days: 1thousand, 2thousand, 3thousand etc. and it did 3.5k to 5.5k in 6-7 seconds. We will see when I get the gopro mounted. It keeps going to 6.5k and it hits 90mph at that revolutions, and it would go further if not for my recent vow to nottake it further. So it would appear I have to get the Kawasaki pulley set mounted if I want go beyond the ton.
I probably should have let the engine run in more gently, but the sound from the clonk was there from start one after the rebuild.
Perhaps this is just how a hotrod sounds, not that it has to, but might in some cases. like this.
No oil on the engine outside, no smoke from the exhaust, no oil consumption.
And on this 100 miles trip, mostly cruising at 50mph, but with those 3 WOT pulls to 90MPH, it used 6 liters of gas. That is 71 MPH, which sounds pretty sweet.
I have not covered a distance with that mileage since I drove the VW LUPO 3L diesel.
The homemade cam chain tightener was installed with near zero backlash.
I have bought the gasket for the generator side cover, so I can check if the flywheel has come loose, and I have already checked the primary transmission without finding anything obviously wrong there.

As should be obvious, I am not dissatisfied with the bike, it pulls good and strong. But I am also quite embarrassed by the sound it makes, because I feel it could be avoided, and perhaps it shows I screwed up. But how is the big question.
Perhaps the gopro can record the sound.
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Reply #289 - 05/20/24 at 03:08:14
 
The flywheel nut on my "factory built" bike started to be noticeable when the bike only had 400 miles on it.  It started as a ticking sound and was a very loud knock by the time I got 1,000 miles on the bike.  It sounded like a loose connecting rod.  The source of the knock was impossible to find as the sound when through the crank and into the bearings and was emitted through the entire engine cases/cylinder.

The knock was loudest at idle and decreases as engine rpm builds....at cruising speeds it was not noticeable.  I can't remember what the knock sounded like when revving the engine while the bike was stationary.
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Reply #290 - 05/20/24 at 03:40:04
 
This is the noise my loose flywheel made.  It seemed to be most pronounced when I throttled up.  Loud metallic clacking.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KUhN_OHQhmo

That's some sweet fuel economy Finn.  How is the hi-flow muffler working out?
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Reply #291 - 05/20/24 at 06:48:44
 
Dave, Mike

Thanks for your input, I am happy there are the needed gaskets on the way, because the sound from Mikes bike, on that video, is very much like the sound from mine. Not under the same circumstances, but sounding just like that. Not unlike the sound I would expect from a piston hitting the cylinder head, but I checked that with tin wire.
I will pull the left cover and dig my way in to the flywheel, I am already hoping it is loose, and it will be turned down to become the spacer it should have been in the first place. Wroom, wroom, should rev. a bit livelier then
The muffler functions great. Yesterday I started the bike with my nephew right by and the expression on his face told me the sound is just exactly right. ( I knew that already, of course ;-> )
And it looks period cool just as I like it.
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Reply #292 - 05/21/24 at 09:37:26
 
You were close DBM. Intruder speedometer but the cable is the tach cable from a 70's GT750. It is a perfect fit on my bike. If you want to stay with the stock look, unwrap the chrome spiral from the stock speedo cable and wrap it back on the GT750 cable.
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Reply #293 - 05/21/24 at 09:47:53
 
Is that a poodle humping a wolf on the chrome battery/tool box cover?
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Reply #294 - 05/21/24 at 22:02:38
 
Close.  Grin  Blow it up larger, it is a wolf covered with a sheepskin. As in, wolf in sheep's clothing.  Smiley Lots of dirty tricks hiding in plain sight with that bike, it ain't what it appears to be.
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Reply #295 - 05/22/24 at 01:49:56
 
Finn, this is a vid with audio of a seized piston.  What you hear in this recording is piston slap.  You may find it useful to compare the audio of the loose flywheel to the audio of the piston slap.

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I think it is unlikely that you seized your piston, but I do recall that you reported some 90mph pulls right after you got it runnin.  IMO, that was a bit too soon to be doin WOT pulls.

The engine in the video seized going up a 6% grade into a very strong headwind (35 to 40mph).  It locked up with almost no warning.  It had a long and gentle breakin, but I set it up with the recommended clearance (.0019").  That was waaaay too tight.  I don't know why Wiseco recommends such tight clearance on the 97mm PT.
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Reply #296 - 05/22/24 at 01:59:41
 
That sucker was swimmin in the jug.  It had .009"+ running clearance after the seizure.  That was mostly due to the skirt collapsing.  The cylinder was also grossly out-of-round.  After you bore one of these out to 97mm, the skirt area on the cylinder gets very thin.  It's too flimsy to maintain circularity when subjected to extreme heat and stress.

The crazy thing is, aside from the noise that sucker still ran great.  It wasn't smokin, had gobs of power, started right up.  It was nuts.

That's a .009" feeler in between the piston and cylinder.  A feeler that thick doesn't conform to the radius of the components, so the actual clearance was probably more like .011", maybe even more.  Sure sounded like more.
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Reply #297 - 05/22/24 at 03:25:22
 
FinnHammer wrote on 05/20/24 at 06:48:44:
I will pull the left cover and dig my way in to the flywheel, I am already hoping it is loose, and it will be turned down to become the spacer it should have been in the first place. Wroom, wroom, should rev. a bit livelier then


We have been down the lightened flywheel trail - and the results were surprising.  The lighter flywheel improves acceleration up to 60mph - but after that the bikes gets slower!

My 0-60mph time improved - my 1/4 mile time was the same.  DragBikeMike did some testing and put his big flywheel back on.  He has not tested the mid-weight flywheel that is trimmed down to the threaded holes....maybe it is a good compromise.

I have linked the discussion thread about the flywheel - but it does not include the timed runs and discovery that DragBikeMike made.  Hopefully he can provide that link.  

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Reply #298 - 05/24/24 at 10:23:28
 
I stand corrected with regard to the early WOT pulls. It is a mental flaw I have, just can't controll myself. Anyway, the bike had this sound from first startup after the rebuild, and it certainley has not seized, I would have noticed. My Yamaha YDS3 did it all the time, I still remember the screetch.
I recall now that when I drive over sharp pot holes, I hear a rattle from under the tank, perhaps the decompression relay, man! all these sounds.

Well, as long as the bike rips...

Gotta get back to finishing that henhouse. Henhouse is the bottom compartment, top one is a treehouse for the grandchildren to play in, only the trees were taken down.
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Reply #299 - 05/24/24 at 11:51:31
 
Don't let the rednecks in east Texas see that!  They'll want to book reservations in that luxury deer blind!
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