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Reply #15 - 02/24/24 at 18:38:22
 
'When woman had a choice' doesn't that sound nice? How about 'when a woman had the right to kill an unborn baby'.  Why try to mask the result of 'choice?'  Oh yes, then there's 'reproductive rights'.  Another good one!  How about some 'self control' or 'birth control'?
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Reply #16 - 02/25/24 at 01:53:01
 
There are women who are not yet 21 years old, and their brains are not yet fully developed and therefore sometimes make wrong decisions.

Then there are also women with a lower than average IQ.

And then there are women who are born in very bad circumstances.

And then you also have addicted women.

And then you also have men in these categories who do not have the word respect in their dictionary.

And the other men who are predators.

So contraception doesn't work there and this is how women become pregnant.



It is a wild world and since the legalization of arbortes, these groups, and especially women, have made great progress socially.

You can ban abortion again, but aren't you doing violence to people? In an ideal world, arbortion would not have been necessary.

I think it is an excellent idea to give women the choice After all the entire burden falls 100% on their shoulders.Whether they can bear that burden or not
The child has to be lucky if there are people in the area who can assist the woman in a loving way.
There are also women who, out of love, do not want to give birth to their unborn child because the circumstances are too bad. So let them make that decision.

And don't think that a woman will easily give up her baby. The treatment is often extremely painful, and her body was fully preparing itself for pregnancy. The entire hormone balance is suddenly disrupted. Recovery sometimes takes years.
And then there's the heartbreak.

I think it's fine if people have an opinion about arbortion, but an opinion is often an obstacle rather than a means to achieving well-being.
Just look at how much tension the whole discussion alone creates. And how selfish the ideas are.

For example, someone who believes in the birth of Christ can take a fanatical attitude against arbortion and want to impose his belief on everyone. In the mean while he thinks sinful thoughts all day long and expresses them regularly.
Their faith is usually no more than a number of thoughts that they cannot fulfill themselves, but which make them feel better than non-believers.

That same belief has turned sexuality into a sin, which has led to all kinds of perferous behavior, which has only increased the need for abortion.

Good things never come from hypocrisy.

If you really want to live according to a teaching and it does you good, then I applaud your faith. But keep it to yourself and if you juicy, radiant and are happy, people will automatically come to you to ask how you achieved that.

I therefore advocate separating government and religion and making laws in a more scientific manner and more attuned to society as it is, instead of making all kinds lows that sprout from untenable ideologies.

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Reply #17 - 02/25/24 at 16:24:45
 
buster6315 wrote on 02/23/24 at 22:02:48:
Ever notice how many abortions are for non-whites?  Why is that?

Looking at a few web sites.

CDC, USA Facts, PEW,
no separation or percent on race/skin-color found.

A Quote from PEW:
“…How many abortions are there in the U.S. each year?  
An exact answer is hard to come by.
The CDC and the Guttmacher Institute each try to measure this,
but they use different methods and publish different figure ….”


Guttmacher Institute
27.1 - Black Non-Hispanic
18.1- Hispanic
16.3 - Other non Hispanic
10.0 - White non Hispanic

KFF
30% - White
42% - Black
7%. -Other
22% - Hispanic

VOX-
Black-  23.8
Other race - 13
Hispanic -11.7
White - 6.6

Standard-Examinar
(Just)
40% - Black

So it seams that one can,
just put in any numbers they want !

(Which will depend on who butters your bread)



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Reply #18 - 03/21/24 at 14:57:37
 
@Webster said abortion-for-birth control zealots...

Not many words, but there's still a lot to unpack there.

The word 'zealots' is particularly relevant and interesting.This is associated with excessive fanaticism. Fanaticism is intense uncritical devotion to some interest.

Roe v Wade set down the marker, and it took the corrupt fanaticism of Alito, and Thomas, and the plainly undemocratic maneouvres that achieved this outcome. We don't need to go into them here.

Abortion is a religious issue, it has never been otherwise, one side is secular and fact based and the other is religious based. The opposition is based on religious precepts, even if they are made up, it's always framed as life is god given and so forth.

The religious opposition to abortian, is fine, and anyone's person beliefs on it whereby they regulate their own life, all good.

The problem is who if forcing their religious based will on whom?

And this is where we get to the essential word in WM's opportunity. Who actually is the 'zealot' here, who is the fanatic.

For white men to take over control of a woman's body, to force her to bend to their will, on an issue that is between her and her doctor, is the very definition of zealotry.

But WM, calls people who advocate for bodily autonomy, "zealots".

And that's all I'm going to say on this matter.
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Reply #19 - 03/21/24 at 16:11:15
 
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