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Reply #15 - 02/28/24 at 02:48:40

I don't think that this scientific article written by renowned researchers has been retracted, I think we are dealing with censorship here.

The same thing happened with that Swiss study that showed the "Vaccine" could reach the cell nucleus, in which the hereditary information (DNA) is stored.

We all know the reputation when it comes to big pharma. And they have not only enriched themselves meganomally, but also entrenched themselves more deeply than ever in the politics that should supervise them.

It has become an organization that controls or even is the WHO.

In addition, they patented the vaccine long before the Covid epidemic. Of course it is good to remain factual. but if I had accepted the given "facts" as they were officially presented. then I would have deceived myself.
I say deceived because I knew from the very beginning that something was completely wrong.
There was so much fear that many people who thought so, also went along with the madness. But not me.

I just want to say, that there is a huge amount of misinformation coming from the official side and that I am not always dexterous in trying to prove this.

But the further in time we have gone, the more I see that my intuition has not misled me.

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Reply #16 - 02/28/24 at 04:03:23

Nothing would surprise me regarding Covid. It was a unique vaccine developed rather quickly and certainly did not follow the same protocols as all of the vaccines because that would take years. But then again, there was the impression that this was an actual pandemic where tens of millions, hundreds of millions of otherwise perfectly healthy people could die. That was false.

The origin from a Chinese lab seemed the most logical, but because it created political problems, you were a racist, bigot if you said that. The pandemic was used to elect a president who otherwise never would’ve been elected. The pandemic was used to get school teachers basically year and a half off. The pandemic was used as an excuse for all kinds of things.

Maybe, just maybe, years from now, to learn all the truths about the pandemic, including the vaccine. Until then, I’m not taking any boosters. I’m not anti-vaccine, whatever that means. I get a flu shot some years, some years I don’t.

There’s a lot of things that pandemic taught us, one of them is it politics has invaded health organizations, it’s difficult to discern the truth.

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Re: The biggest crime in the history of medicine
Reply #17 - 02/28/24 at 08:18:20

Of course... you will call all evidence, "fake news" Huh

WebsterMark wrote on 02/27/24 at 16:15:41:

Yea you’re going to have to prove that.

Republicans' excess death rate spiked after COVID-19 vaccines arrived, a study says
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-...

March 2020 through December 2021, "excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."
Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls
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Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls

More specifically, the researchers say, their adjusted analysis found that "the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters" after vaccine eligibility was opened.

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Reply #18 - 02/28/24 at 09:38:27

“…things that pandemic taught us, one of them is it politics has invaded health organizations,…”

That always has been in play, just that the US government became more directive.

"... officers in Minnesota seize $900G in counterfeit bills from Chinese shipping container..."

This news article certainly has all the earmarks of the, government, telling the 'news' stations, what to, NOT, report. It was VERY similar in the several dozen 'reports', which included the extreme ends, FOX/CCN.
Then it just DISSIPATED.

No Questions were asked, or answered.
Why 1.00 bills ?
Were they laced/covered/etc with the virus ?
Were they even tested ?
How many more shipments were made that were not recovered ?
Because 1.00 bill is the most used bill in the US, it wears out very fast, so today probably not many still around.

Yes Virginia, sounds just like a conspiracy theory.
And if you believe asking questions about something, and the questions are, not answered, ignored, shoveled off, etc.
OR, slide it off as a, "conspiracy theory", simply because, the questions can not be proven one way or the other.

The other VERY big experiment was how to control people on this spaceship.
Which has resulted in an extreme dividing of the inhabitants, (Human), of this Spaceship.

So many really, STUPID things were tried.
And so many, STUPID things were done.
(Can't put a motor on your boat, arresting someone looking at a sunset on a beach with no one around. Big box stores can be open, yet Mom & Pop ones can not. Literally 1000's of other REALLY STUPID Restrictions)

Even the 'Follow the Pied Piper' people, can now see.

It was a test of what the angle of the slippery sloop should be.

EXPECT another, event, yet it will be more subtle,
Then one after that
Then one after that
Etc, etc, etc ......

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Re: The biggest crime in the history of medicine
Reply #20 - 02/28/24 at 10:43:08

Serowbot wrote on 02/28/24 at 08:18:20:

"Republicans' excess death rate spiked after COVID-19 vaccines arrived, a study says..."

Consider.

A ULTRA Liberal 'news' report that does what they are told to do.

Only 2 states were studied.

"...the researchers say, their adjusted analysis found that ..."

"...The researchers estimated excess mortality based on how the overall rate of deaths during the pandemic compared to what would have been expected from historical, pre-pandemic trends...."
(No consideration of other factors)

"...The researchers note that their study has several limitations, including the chance that political party affiliation "is a proxy for other risk factors," such as income, health insurance status and chronic medical conditions, along with race and ethnicity...."
(Again, no consideration for other factors)

"...because data about the vaccination status of each of the 538,159 people who died in the two states wasn't available, researchers could only go as granular as the county level in assessing excess deaths and vaccination rates...."
(Data not available - assessing deaths)

"...the researchers drilled into data in Florida and Ohio, they warn that their findings might not translate to other states...."

Ya-Know, sounds a lot like a,
'Conspiracy Theory'

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Re: The biggest crime in the history of medicine
Reply #21 - 02/28/24 at 15:13:51

Serowbot wrote on 02/28/24 at 08:18:20:

More specifically, the researchers say, their adjusted analysis found that "the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters" after vaccine eligibility was opened.[/i]

I think that had little to do with whether or not you took the vaccine. The vaccine did not stop the spread, as we now know. And it also did not protect you against covid. I know many people who have been seriously ill from Covid and who were nevertheless vaccinated and got their booster.

It had to do with the fact that the virus was not taken seriously when it was still really harmful.
But I also doubt the reporting from that time. It was peppered with political motives.

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Reply #22 - 02/28/24 at 15:14:01

I think it’s entirely possible that slightly more conservatives died from Covid, and those deaths can be traced back to their lack of confidence in the vaccine. I believe that.

I also believe it’s likely there are actions that liberals take based on their beliefs and ideology that result in a higher death rate for them than conservatives. That seems like a logical assumption. I can’t imagine you would find an organization or university who would commit to research that.

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Reply #23 - 02/28/24 at 16:46:49

I don't think that this scientific article written by renowned researchers has been retracted, I think we are dealing with censorship here.

Possibly but why use the least impactful method of redaction, while leaving it published? This is the worst "censorship" route they could use. Why didn't they just redact while removing and citing the problems? Either way, the information is sound except for how poorly out of context a lot of it was taken.

The same thing happened with that Swiss study that showed the "Vaccine" could reach the cell nucleus, in which the hereditary information (DNA) is stored.

Not being true is part of that problem as well. Not one human out of hundreds of thousands tested have resulted in anything close to what the claims of this Swiss study have made. If mRNA was mutating DNA, there would be humans with mutated DNA. Somehow, just with this vaccine, actual real life mutated DNA is not needed to prove mutated DNA exists.

"In addition, they patented the vaccine long before the Covid epidemic."

Except they didn't because it did not exist. Your source in this thread cites, correctly, how rushed the development of the vaccine was, but also you claim they patented it before it's rushed creation.

This doesn't mean there was no corruption, it only means a reasonable human can't possibly think all of these things are true. Both sides lie.

I just want to say, that there is a huge amount of misinformation coming from the official side and that I am not always dexterous in trying to prove this.

Again, both sides lie. But for some reason we are only supposed to acknowledge that government lies, and pretend YouTube videos are honest.

But the further in time we have gone, the more I see that my intuition has not misled me.

Unless its about graphene. In that case it's best to say the "proof" is not proof, but a secondary multitude of pages are proof, then claim those aren't proof either once those are shown to not offer proof either. In that case graphene is still in the vaccine, the proof is probably in some completely erased study probably from Switzerland.

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Reply #24 - 02/28/24 at 16:53:31

I think it’s entirely possible that slightly more conservatives died from Covid, and those deaths can be traced back to their lack of confidence in the vaccine. I believe that.

I agree here. I have access to millions of real-time medical outcomes by data entry into active medical records. We can see trends as they are happening and a concerted effort to alter those outcomes would require the synchronized work of millions across the globe in real-time. So I have a lot of confidence in that data.

I also believe it’s likely there are actions that liberals take based on their beliefs and ideology that result in a higher death rate for them than conservatives. That seems like a logical assumption. I can’t imagine you would find an organization or university who would commit to research that.

There are organizations that don't care what the out come of that data is. The best thing is to collect data and have it blind evaluated by multiple groups that do not know what the numbers represent. One thing that hinders this is that humans do not need to put their political affiliation, which can change at any time, on their medical records.

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Re: The biggest crime in the history of medicine
Reply #25 - 02/29/24 at 04:29:10

An extremely controversial law was passed in the French parliament on Wednesday. The law immediately criminalizes anyone who criticizes m-RNA treatment. The draconian law, which was passed silently and without debate, provides that anyone who advises against the use of experimental m-RNA injections will be punished with up to three years in prison and a fine of €45,000.

https://www.senat.fr/leg/pjl23-111.html

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Reply #26 - 02/29/24 at 06:21:25

"...The law immediately criminalizes anyone who criticizes m-RNA treatment. The draconian law, which was passed silently and without debate, provides that anyone who advises against the use of experimental m-RNA injections will be punished with up to three years in prison and a fine of €45,000..."

WOW.

So, I am standing in a local Park in France.
Someone asks me about, ‘m-RNA’, treatment.
And I advise them not to do it.
A Gendarme, hears it.
POOF, I am in Jail.

France NEVER HAD, Free Speech.
(They said they did)
But PROOF, the laws, and the actions
PROVE, otherwise.

Wonder when I, ‘advise’, someone,
Not to paint their house Orange with Red accents,
I will be put in Jail in the US ?

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29284 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: The biggest crime in the history of medicine Reply #27 - 02/29/24 at 14:30:36 The biggest crime in the history of medicine I'd put Ivermectin pretty high up on that list. How anyone convinced people to take a horse de-wormer for a virus is beyond me.
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Reply #28 - 02/29/24 at 18:50:12

WOW.

So, I am standing in a local Park in France.
Someone asks me about, ‘m-RNA’, treatment.
And I advise them not to do it.
A Gendarme, hears it.
POOF, I am in Jail.

Nope nothing like that. This is just an example of people repeating what they saw on social media and not reading the actual documentation.

Its a lie. But to be fair people can spin anything into a vaccine issue and one could say that since France is wanting curb fraudulent scam doctors, they are censoring what all doctors can say, and to add more bull$h!t they claim it applies to everyone. Frog in boiling water etc, etc. but today, to claim actual written law criminalizes the general criticism of mRNA is a lie. That's a lie.

But PROOF, the laws, and the actions
PROVE, otherwise.

Except what the law says and what you are TOLD it says are two different things. You know that whole just going with what you are TOLD to say thing that you bring up regularly? This is one of those examples. The PROOF is not true, so should it be considered PROOF?

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Reply #29 - 02/29/24 at 21:05:11

Eegore wrote on 02/29/24 at 18:50:12:

"... The PROOF is not true, so should it be considered PROOF?"

Don’t know if France put that ‘order’ in play or not.
I looked at the web site,
it looked real.
(Don’t read French so I don’t know)

What the PROOF was about.
Was France has NOTHING,
even remotely close,
to the 1st amendment here.

Everybody that is paying attention knows that.

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