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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6849 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	WE 10/17/24 at 08:30:20 when asked about guns at the Jan. 6th debacle the orange FELON admitted his involvement "There were no guns down there; we didn't have guns." (lie) "The others had guns, but we didn't have guns." (another lie) "We" indicates complicity after years of lying the truth comes out treasonous bastard quotes from Univison town hall meeting as reported by Washinton Post
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Reply #1 - 10/17/24 at 10:13:10

The guns versus no guns indicates his line of thought. People who were there unarmed protesting were part of the "We" and those that were there armed are not part of the "We".

Kind of like saying we were at a parade and none of us were armed, but there is video evidence of a guy with a gun on his hip so I am complicit, and lying about being there with guns.

Am I? If I go to a parade unarmed with 10 humans and say "we" went, am I lying if any of the other humans besides the 10 I went with are armed?

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6849 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: WE Reply #2 - 10/17/24 at 11:50:45 guns or not he's admitting complicity which he has denied till now he lost the election fact he told the mob to fight like hell fact he is treasonous bastard opinion he cannot be trusted opinion he said he wants to use the military to go after anyone who disagrees with him fact he is a fascist of the highest caliber FACT
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Reply #4 - 10/17/24 at 16:23:10

Eegore wrote on 10/17/24 at 10:13:10:

The guns versus no guns indicates his line of thought. People who were there unarmed protesting were part of the "We" and those that were there armed are not part of the "We".

Kind of like saying we were at a parade and none of us were armed, but there is video evidence of a guy with a gun on his hip so I am complicit, and lying about being there with guns.

Am I? If I go to a parade unarmed with 10 humans and say "we" went, am I lying if any of the other humans besides the 10 I went with are armed?

Forcing honesty into that,,,
Well done, E.

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Reply #5 - 10/17/24 at 17:02:06

guns or not he's admitting complicity which he has denied till now

I'm not sure he is. If the word "we" is how one is to conclude complicity among the actions of hundreds of humans, then any single human that says "we" did something at an event is complicit in the criminal behavior of any other human at the event. We can't just apply rules to Trump and not other humans.

A group of humans I associate with went to a football game. I encouraged "everyone" to go on my social media accounts. I said "we all went to the game together".

A guy got drunk and punched someone. So am I complicit in that human's behavior? Am I also to be charged with assault?

I did after all admit I invited "everyone" and that "we all" went. So am I complicit in the violence?

This post is my opinion for anyone incapable of understanding what an opinion is.

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JOG Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2055 Longview, Texas Gender:	Re: WE Reply #6 - 10/17/24 at 18:50:25 You do know I was agreeing with you, right?
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9083	Re: WE Reply #7 - 10/17/24 at 19:12:40 You do know I was agreeing with you, right? Yes.
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6849 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: WE Reply #8 - 10/17/24 at 23:04:22 "If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." FACTUAL proof of complicity..
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JOG Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2055 Longview, Texas Gender:	Re: WE Reply #9 - 10/17/24 at 23:45:00 You interpret that the way You want to. For You, it's Proof. It's Your Poopinion. Just more stupid lefty schitt.
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6849 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: WE Reply #10 - 10/18/24 at 00:51:51 how do you interpret it? you don't NEED to be nasty
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zevenenergie Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1767 The Netherlands Den Haag	Re: WE Reply #11 - 10/18/24 at 01:24:00 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GhExT3XudGc
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Reply #12 - 10/18/24 at 05:18:28

thumperclone wrote on 10/18/24 at 00:51:51:

how do you interpret it?

you don't NEED to be nasty

Well, TC, I'll try to not treat you the way you've treated me and simply say WE doesn't necessarily Have to be an admission of what you say it is. I thought E did a pretty good job of dragging the thought processes through an option and teased some of the nuanced thinking into view.
When I'm Complaining about what America is doing, things I Certainly don't agree with,
I often say
WE have opened our borders.
WE are giving them drivers licenses
WE are paying for them to come here..

But I'm Not a willing participant. I'm not a part of the WE who choose to Do these things.
Trump said We,,
Well,, Mehhh,, it doesn't Have to mean what you want it to mean.
It Could, but it doesn't have to.

If you would apply that energy to going and listening to his words. ALL OF THEM,
Like
Go and peacefully make your voices heard.

Maybe ask around,,
Who chose Not to get National Guard in, like Trump Asked Pelosi to do?

Don't let your hatred for him keep you from asking All the right questions.

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Reply #13 - 10/18/24 at 05:21:57

If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." FACTUAL proof of complicity..

So if I coach a football game and tell the players to "fight like hell" and one of the players punches a rival player, am I complicit in that human's assault? If a Planned Parenthood Administrator said people need to "fight like hell" to keep pro-choice clinics available and a group of humans storm a State Capitol, is there FACTUAL proof Planned Parenthood is complicit in the damage?

At what point does the human saying "fight like hell" assume a degree of responsibility? Incitement is not as easy as you want it to be. Disliking Trump does not make the burden of "FACTUAL proof" go away.

We can't simply say because someone said "fight like hell" leaving out all other context by the way, prior to an event, that they actually meant physical assaults.

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Reply #14 - 10/18/24 at 06:35:27

Eegore wrote on 10/18/24 at 05:21:57:

If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." FACTUAL proof of complicity..

So if I coach a football game and tell the players to "fight like hell" and one of the players punches a rival player, am I complicit in that human's assault? If a Planned Parenthood Administrator said people need to "fight like hell" to keep pro-choice clinics available and a group of humans storm a State Capitol, is there FACTUAL proof Planned Parenthood is complicit in the damage?

At what point does the human saying "fight like hell" assume a degree of responsibility? Incitement is not as easy as you want it to be. Disliking Trump does not make the burden of "FACTUAL proof" go away.

We can't simply say because someone said "fight like hell" leaving out all other context by the way, prior to an event, that they actually meant physical assaults.

Dammit Eegore….stop invoking your view of logic in a political forum! What’s wrong with you?

Here is an example of proper Democratic logic: Trump saying fight like hell is a call to arms but Harris calling Trump Hitler and a threat to Democracy in no way contributes to assassination attempts.

See how that works?

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