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11/22/24 at 06:43:35
 
When it's time to protect the Democrat president, they use all of them.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/fbi-crime-data-revisions-spark-debate/
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Reply #1 - 11/22/24 at 07:06:02
 

 Ok so now the FBI information is accurate and useable?  

 People need to make up their minds.  Is the FBI data useable or not?
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Reply #2 - 11/22/24 at 07:16:40
 
When I want facts I go to "Guns America"
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Reply #3 - 11/22/24 at 12:20:37
 
Depends. When it's not supporting The Narrative,, yeah.
Note, it's REVISIONS. They lied, then were forced to fess up.
Like labor. They blow smoke, lie to us about Jobs. When it's important that things Look Good. Later, mehh,, they get some pressure,, someone points out
Observed Reality doesn't Match your claims,, and Poof,,new numbers.

Try to remember this. I've had to explain it before.
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Reply #4 - 11/22/24 at 13:15:12
 
 Observed Reality doesn't Match your claims,, and Poof,,new numbers.

 And how does that explain humans who's Observed Reality is less crime?  I'm sure plenty of humans have Observed less crime right?


 So which is it?

When asked if the revisions were a result of incompetence or something more, Lott admitted there’s no clear explanation.

 Or:

Real Clear Investigations fails to mention that, in 2021, there was a sharp decline in the number of agencies participating in FBI data collection because the FBI temporarily disallowed an earlier collection method. The FBI switched back to its prior method in 2022.

 Which one will you Observe?

 I will Observe the reporting systems in use and the historical methods of notification over the past decades.  The FBI does change it's data, and no it does not notify "the news" when it does this, so the "quietly" claim fails my historical behavior assessment.

 I expected a pretty drastic data change given they changed the UCS from Summary Reporting System to NIBRS (National Incident-Based Reporting System)  Will the Biden Administration take advantage of this process?  Of course it will.  Is the FBI "quietly" changing data by doing what they always do?  No.  

 Claiming the FBI made the recent changes because they got caught, ignores time and space as we know it, which of course means nothing on this forum, but for everywhere else it matters.  They changed reporting and data collection systems that resulted in under-reporting before the claims of reduced crime were ever made.
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Reply #5 - 11/22/24 at 15:10:15
 
Eegore wrote on 11/22/24 at 13:15:12:
"...  They (the FBI) changed reporting and data collection systems that resulted in under-reporting before the claims of reduced crime were ever made."

Is that your, 'OPINION"

Or is it a proven 'FACT' ?

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Reply #6 - 11/22/24 at 15:46:01
 
How do you Know what others Observed?

Really, all that matters is
They had to Revise their Report to the American People.
They lied. They may still be lying. It may be worse than they are admitting.
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Reply #7 - 11/22/24 at 16:08:14
 
Is that your, 'OPINION"

Or is it a proven 'FACT' ?



 It is verifiable fact as long as one acknowledges time and space.

 The results of the change by the FBI can not exist before the change happened.  Claims of reduced crime in FBI reporting did not exist before the FBI made the reports.  Claims made in 2022, did not happen before data collection methods changed in 2021.

 But then again you did repeatedly question why MRI results in 2019 were not applicable to Covid vaccines even though they happened before the vaccine was created so time and space as you Observe it may be different than how the rest of us do.

 This post is an opinion for anyone incapable of understanding what an opinion is.
 
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Reply #8 - 11/22/24 at 16:15:54
 
How do you Know what others Observed?

 Exactly.  So how can Observed Reality be a verifiable resource?  People have Observed less crime, so their Observed Reality aligns with the preliminary FBI reporting.  


Really, all that matters is
They had to Revise their Report to the American People.


 Or did they Revise it like they normally do, but the revision was extremely large by comparison?  What does your own references claim?


They lied. They may still be lying. It may be worse than they are admitting.

 Ok but since the FBI's own data change is the source for why they made the change how does that work?

 FBI submits data.
 "News" reports on data, White House uses it as propaganda.
 FBI resubmits updated data.
 Websites say FBI "quietly" changes data because "News" did not report it. FBI "had to Revise" the data because websites report on the same data?

 What I am not seeing is the "Hey FBI, we have this information, why is your data wrong? AND THEN, AFTER THIS, the FBI changes their data.

 When was the challenge to FBI preliminary reporting?
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Reply #9 - 11/22/24 at 16:16:06
 
Keep trying. Nuhh uhh..
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Reply #10 - 11/22/24 at 16:18:30
 
Keep trying. Nuhh uhh..

 Nice dodge.

 What caused the FBI to submit the updated data?  Simple question.

 The reference you provide only says they noticed the new data, not that it was challenged in the first place with contradictory information.
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Reply #11 - 11/22/24 at 16:24:59
 
NOTICED it,did they? I don't trust them in the least. It became important to them to reveal the truth. Why? FukkifIKnow.. They had The Data. They know where it comes from and if they have The Data.
That said, Some of the Defund the Police cities Stopped reporting their crime statistics Because they had climbed so high Following their misguided lefty crap policy.
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Reply #12 - 11/22/24 at 16:34:20
 
NOTICED it,did they?

 Yes, as stated in your reference.  So your statement "They had to Revise their Report to the American People."  Why?  According to your own references the FBI "quietly" made these changes on their own.

 What am I missing?  Why did the FBI have to change it?  Who challenged the preliminary data?



It became important to them to reveal the truth. Why? FukkifIKnow.. They had The Data.

 According to your own source, and your following statement they didn't.  They had preliminary data, and once combined with the more accurate system the data drastically changed.  Again, this is from your own reference.  Their complaint is that it was not reported on, and that the Biden Administration capitalized on bad data.


That said, Some of the Defund the Police cities Stopped reporting their crime statistics Because they had climbed so high Following their misguided lefty crap policy.

 Agreed, which caused extremely poor data pulls, as stated by the FBI.  We discussed this on here in the past.  

 So is the issue that the FBI didn't announce the changes to "the news", which they historically do not.  Or that they might have had the more accurate data earlier on?  I could totally see the FBI withholding a data dump until after the election, but I can't see them changing their publicity methods for this one event.


 
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Reply #13 - 11/22/24 at 17:00:41
 
Eegore wrote on 11/22/24 at 16:18:30:
"Nice dodge. ..."


           Nop !

It was NOT A DODGE !!!!!!!!

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Reply #14 - 11/22/24 at 17:26:39
 
Eegore wrote on 11/22/24 at 16:08:14:
 " It is verifiable fact as long as one acknowledges time and space. ..."   


Time + Space have nothing to do with the FBI, covering 'things' to benefit the people/groups, who have told them, what to do.
 Again, Hover laid down the parameters, and they are still followed.

Please provide the FACT, that the FBI did NOT Lie.

"... But then again you did repeatedly question why MRI results in 2019 were not applicable to Covid vaccines ..."

Exactly what are you talking about. ???????????

Could it be, (this is my opinion), that you are referencing something that is not concurrent to the time, and not relevant in any requirement that preliminary reporting may represent. Or is it the space continuum that is changing the requirements pursuant to the mater at hand ?



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