When we make procedural changes at work, we lay out the basic idea, and then fabricate all the possible hypothetical situations that could occur in our business, and how this new policy would change the outcome of those situations. If all the hypotheticals we can imagine are covered and satisfactorily decided in favor of our business moving forward, then the policy change is likely to be adopted. If situations arise with this new procedure that create issues, we go back to the drawing board.

So here’s my question. Per the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, let’s say a terrorist, like Osama bin Laden snuck into the United States after 9/11 with a pregnant wife, she gave birth, but died during childbirth, according to the current interpretation, that child would be a US citizen.

Is that what we as a nation, want to happen?

And i’m on not sure of all the state laws, but since bin Laden would be the sole remaining parent, what legal rights would that give him?

And I keep hearing strong language from progressive like AOC about how we shouldn’t separate children and parents in these immigration cases, so how would that affect bin Laden and his now US citizen child?

These numbers are ridiculous. Biden’s legacy is one of corruption, incompetence and pardoning his fellow crime family members. And while this is horrific and forever damaging Biden name, what he did by allowing open borders will cause harm for all of us going forward several generations. I can’t believe these numbers. They’re staggering.

This birthright nonsense has got to stop right now.


The Center for Immigration Studies, a non-profit research organization that focuses on immigration, said Friday that based on its preliminary findings, there were between 225,000 to 250,000 U.S. births to illegal immigrants in 2023, which accounts for about 7% of total births in the U.S. that year.

To put the figure into context, the group says those figures are greater than the total number of births in all but two states taken individually.

Furthermore, it appears that more children were born to illegal immigrant parents than to legal noncitizens.

Although not yet available, the group says that the 2024 numbers are likely to be even higher given the surge of illegal immigrants into the country under the Biden administration.

Trump just proclaimed we are all the sex were had at inception
That makes us all female
Sex isn't determined until the 6th week

You go girl  

Do you hear the world laughing?

If a woman gives birth in your house
Is that baby now a member of your family?

 Do you have to protect someone else's 1st or 2nd Amendment rights when they are on your property?  Of course not, because you are not the US Government.  That's why not.


"And Subject to the Laws Thereof", is actually "jurisdiction" which is most commonly interpreted in US Courts as: the authority of a sovereign power to govern or legislate.  Unfortunately every US Court decision has considered the word "all" to mean every single one.  So "All persons born" is not mitigated with any statement of exception for "persons born" from a non-US Citizen or illegal immigrant.

 So are illegal immigrants subject to our laws?  Can we enforce laws upon them?  

My argument stands.

I would think so

I live in Colorado if I visit Utah, I am subject to their laws
same if I visit another country

I would think so

I live in Colorado if I visit Utah, I am subject to their laws
same if I visit another country


 That's where the courts, all of them, utilize the logic that a human "under the jurisdiction of" is governed by the laws of the US.  So the 14th applies to any human that is subject to US law.

Serowbot wrote on 01/26/25 at 10:16:19:

You don’t wanna go down that road. Because if you do, that means life begins at conception since you can identify a biological sex.