blod wrote on 02/07/25 at 12:10:36:


It is what it is man. You are free to record people in public. But you cannot demand they react the way you want them to.

I would film girls and anyone else who does anything in public.   Anyone who expects privacy in public is an idiot.

 Girls in a gymnastics studio aren't in public.  


I would define "creepy" as recording someone covertly.  I would not consider  openly recording someone as being creepy.  It might qualify as weird but not  creepy

 I would say the same however as a man I find less things creepy than my female associates do.  Then again they see constant examples of men filming women, legally, then showing up at their work or homes.  So the "creep" factor plays in more considering they are much more likely to be assaulted by men then the other way around.

Why would anyone want to video record women with their clothes for sexual reasons  ?     It makes no sense to me.  ... Perhaps they have a clothes fetish ?


 It doesn't have to make sense.  Why would a human want to video record foreign objects being put into infants?  Making sense has nothing to do with any of it.

  Yes, plenty of humans purchase videos of women with clothes on for sexual reasons.  Why someone wouldn't think its "creepy" for a man to follow a woman around recording her makes no sense to me, but I realize there are plenty that think it's just fine to do.  Weird for sure, but definitely creepy to the one being filmed is how I look at it.

If everything can be classed as a perversion women, kids ,and haddock  should be banned from being seen in public at all times so as not to hurt their precious  feelings.

 Sure.  Cameras too.  

 The point is I can see why women think men following them around recording them is more creepy.  Men assault women more, so it makes logical sense that women are more apprehensive about that.  Perversion or not, it is statistically correct that women are more likely to be assaulted by men.  Any abnormal actions, like following them around for any reason is weird, and creepy to the person being followed.  

 That doesn't have to make sense for it to be objectively true.  Making sense is not a strong argument for any of this.  None of these things have to make sense to me for me to acknowledge the impact it has on others is reasonable.

I have never heard of anyone following women around.

 That's interesting.  Stalking is a common human behavior, and many women have been victims of crime specific to being followed prior to the criminal act.  I believe you would be the only person I know that has actually never heard of women being followed.  


 I certainly have never followed anyone around, nether man nor woman.  Do you follow women around ?  

 I don't but I also do not fly helicopters, but I do however acknowledge that other humans do and can comment on them and how they impact society.  We can know about things and know humans impacted by them and also not do them ourselves.


I ask because you appear to be an expert on the subject, it seems to be your speciality.

 Actually I have worked regularly with female victims of crime, and also build/educate protection programs.  A whole division of this program is about stalking, stalking laws, mitigating digital stalking methods and response methods when being followed.

 So yeah I am sort of an expert because so many women are victims of crime specific to being followed that I have a regular client base.  Guys following women recording them is common, as part of a demonstration in a seminar we get online (D-Web) and show how in a few minutes we could purchase or trade hours of footage of women being followed and recorded - all this and it doesn't even have to make sense.  

 It's like things can happen that don't make sense to us.

It's clear that women you know have serious psychological disorders. Cameras are not the cause, they are just an excuse to help generate sympathy for useless people.


 I never said anything close to indicating cameras are the "cause".  I am saying that while it may be "weird" for men to follow women recording them, it is also "creepy" to the women being recorded.  Cameras don't "cause" this, they are just the topic on this specific thread - Humans using cameras.  Men following women without a camera is also "weird" and also "creepy" but the conversation is specific to the use of cameras.

 None of this has to make sense for it to exist as objective truth.  Men following women around is creepy to them.

What purpose would following people around serve ?  None that I can think of.

 Crime.  Criminals follow their targets - that's what makes it "creepy".  I find it very implausible that you honestly think humans do not follow other humans.  Case studies of hundreds of thousands of criminals indicate they actively followed their victims before committing the crime.  This is not "just in the minds of inferior people who need to get real", it is a verifiable fact.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN2_769CMNk

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D69roJXttyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T343DWzmnM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=velHICFtUMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZJKUZ6sylg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzAd8YTgLYQ



 In this case, specific to cameras, it is a common enough occurrence that there is a market for the sale of such footage.  We do not have to take part in it or know people who do for it to be objectively true.  I have witnessed it myself.

 Nothing about what you do or who you know will change the fact that humans follow other humans recording them with cameras.  We can see the footage, there is literally video proof of these actions.  It doesn't apply to you, but your lack of participation does not mean it does not exist or is imagined by humans that are inferior to you.

 It's just weird and creepy on the rare occasions that it happens.

LANCER wrote on 02/08/25 at 11:51:38:


What we are talking about here is video recording women, that being the case only lust could apply, that is UNTIL you look at the subjects, THEY ARE ALL DOGS.