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Reply #15 - 02/12/25 at 09:08:28

I disagree on the analogy, but partisan politics was certainly involved. I was at the peak of my 30+ year career in the healthcare insurance industry when ACA was implemented.

With ACA, we were arguing about more government involvement (funding, single-payer, mandates, etc) in a particular industry. With the DOGE, we are arguing about how the government polices and audits its own domain. Arguing we should just keep operating the same old broken way that hasn’t worked is simply ridiculous. At least with ACA, Republicans were offering new ideas and alternative proposals.

What I recall about the beginnings of ACA is during the campaign, healthcare was the number one issue. John McCain offered ideas that would begin to split health insurance away from employers as a benefit and start the process of turning it over to something along the lines of all other insurance which is more competitive such as property and casualty insurance, life insurance etc…

The media of course was all in for Obama so presented McCain’s ideas as a scheme created by insurance companies. Obama went all in on his plan and we’ve basically kicked the health insurance can down the road ever since.

I can for the most part agree with this assessment. It is an opinion that I agree with this assessment. My point is primarily that systems that don't work are complained about, and people seem to be, and this is an opinion for anyone incapable of understanding what an opinion is, only willing to change those broken systems as long as a source they like is the one doing it. The change isn't important to them, it's who is doing it.

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Reply #16 - 02/12/25 at 11:15:40

Eegore wrote on 02/12/25 at 09:04:52:

Which I disproved over and over when I argued against The Jabs.

Then explain why the exact same word for word documents, on multiple occasions, were what you specifically called "Lies" until a website you liked, like ThegatewayPundit posted them, and then they became truth?

Literally the exact same documents.

That I don't know how to do what you say I must Does Net eliminate my point.

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Reply #17 - 02/12/25 at 11:57:53

Again, ACA is not a good analogy. You even acknowledge my point that Republicans had ideas (McCain), and Dems had ideas.

With DOGE, the Dems have nothing but “keep the same broken system that doesn’t work”. That is not a valid or rational idea or plan. They disagree and rebutt for the sole sake of disagreeing. And they can’t stand that someone (Musk), on the other side of the aisle, is actually being successful.

It seems to be mostly the far lefties opposed to Musk and DOGE. Moderate Democrats seem to appreciate eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse. And dealing with it swiftly rather than trying to put baidaids on it or just try to continue cover it up and sweep it under the rug. That’s already happened far too long.

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Reply #18 - 02/13/25 at 03:18:59

I think the point I was trying to make is that during that campaign, there was an opportunity for fundamental change. It was wasted. Healthcare was the primary topic for that entire campaign. And had McCain won or had Obama blended his idea with McCain’s, it’s possible healthcare insurance today would be more affordable and the strategies and schemes insurance companies used to make money would’ve been dramatically lessened.

To be fair, had McCain won and tried to dismantle the healthcare insurance industry as it is now, and here was the reason I was bringing this up as an example, he would’ve needed to go full on nuclear like Trump is doing with Doge. You think politicians, mostly Democrats, are fighting now to hang onto their sludge funds, imagine genuinely attacking the healthcare insurance industry. I feel like they would literally hire assassins to kill people. There’s how much money and power are involved in healthcare.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29276 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Musky Reply #19 - 02/13/25 at 07:43:26 Musk is now paying himself $8 million a day of our tax money, plus he may get a $400 million contract from the Trump admin to supply the military with "armoured" vehicles (Cyber trucks) I know where we can cut some spending
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Reply #21 - 02/13/25 at 08:55:04

So misleading….

His business government contracts bring in $8 million per day. I believe this is “revenue” and not profit.

Musk is not getting paid $8M per day for doing the DOGE job. That’s what the clickbait headlines try to make dummies and haters believe.

Musk isn’t taking a paycheck. I also don’t think he’s simply doing the job out of the goodness of his heart and solely for the benefit of the American people. I suspect his self-interest is power, influence, and protection.

He doesn’t personally need the money, but getting the government to buy rockets and equipment so he can move to Mars (and buy it from Trump, lol) is plausible.

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JOG Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2053 Longview, Texas Gender:	Re: Musky Reply #22 - 02/13/25 at 09:06:10 I'm not sure he's got any motive other than helping America. In a Prosperous America, he wins. A rising tide lifts all boats. But,if he changes the trajectory of power and puts us on the path to prosperity once again, with the corruptocrats in prison and their fortunes returned to We the People, AND he benefits? I'm okay with that.
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Reply #23 - 02/13/25 at 09:13:30

JOG wrote on 02/13/25 at 09:06:10:

I'm not sure he's got any motive other than helping America. In a Prosperous America, he wins. A rising tide lifts all boats.
But,if he changes the trajectory of power and puts us on the path to prosperity once again, with the corruptocrats in prison and their fortunes returned to We the People, AND he benefits? I'm okay with that.

You aren’t really this naive are you, JOG?

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Reply #24 - 02/13/25 at 09:21:40

JOG wrote on 02/13/25 at 08:30:23:

Serowbot wrote on 02/13/25 at 07:43:26:

Musk is now paying himself $8 million a day of our tax money, plus he may get a $400 million contract from the Trump admin to supply the military with "armoured" vehicles (Cyber trucks)

I know where we can cut some spending Huh

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8 mil a day in government contracts

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Reply #25 - 02/13/25 at 09:51:14

thumperclone wrote on 02/13/25 at 09:21:40:

JOG wrote on 02/13/25 at 08:30:23:

Serowbot wrote on 02/13/25 at 07:43:26:

Musk is now paying himself $8 million a day of our tax money, plus he may get a $400 million contract from the Trump admin to supply the military with "armoured" vehicles (Cyber trucks)

I know where we can cut some spending Huh

Show us

8 mil a day in government contracts

So WHAT?
If he's not delivering what the contracts require, Then you have something.
How many of those contracts existed Before DOGE existed?
Hyperventilate over another imaginary outrage.

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Reply #26 - 02/13/25 at 10:02:08

Here's a question I have...

When DOGE gets around to the Pentagon, should there be full transparency and dissemination to the American people and the whole WORLD?

Where did this $1 Billion Bitcoin payment really go?

I'm thinking it might not be in the best interests of national security. Maybe skip the Pentagon and just cut their budget 10%. Scrap the F35 and call it done.

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Reply #27 - 02/13/25 at 13:02:41

JOG wrote on 02/13/25 at 09:51:14:

thumperclone wrote on 02/13/25 at 09:21:40:

JOG wrote on 02/13/25 at 08:30:23:

Serowbot wrote on 02/13/25 at 07:43:26:

Musk is now paying himself $8 million a day of our tax money, plus he may get a $400 million contract from the Trump admin to supply the military with "armoured" vehicles (Cyber trucks)

I know where we can cut some spending Huh

Show us

8 mil a day in government contracts

So WHAT?
If he's not delivering what the contracts require, Then you have something.
How many of those contracts existed Before DOGE existed?
Hyperventilate over another imaginary outrage.

it's called conflict of interest

were you born an a$$ole or learned it along the way?
your turn to hyperventilate

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Online Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9952 Minn Gender:	Re: Musky Reply #28 - 02/13/25 at 14:17:59 thumperclone wrote on 02/13/25 at 13:02:41: *"... were you born an a$$ole or learned it along the way? ..."* *WOW,* and a Mupper complains about, UL, DFI, FDS, WOKE, Socialist !!! (not to mention, defending AOC)
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Reply #29 - 02/13/25 at 17:32:32

it's called conflict of interest

That's not necessarily true. There are plenty of businesses that hold contracts with the US Government that would not create a conflict of interest in regard to them auditing a different section of government.

It is however something that needs to be scrutinized as discovering the details of bids from competitors, without their agreed upon disclosure is illegal.

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