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Reply #120 - 05/20/25 at 09:50:38
 
Anyone talking the ridiculousness you are about treason and hanging is  definitely infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

And I have no idea if conservatives reworked that phrase, I kind of doubt it. But yes, we did create pro life, because pro-choice really just means pro killing unborn babies. And right to work means freedom to make your own decisions. So if we’re forced to rework ridiculous phrases that are nothing but lies, I’m all for it.
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Reply #121 - 05/20/25 at 14:47:29
 
You don't believe in treason, not if it applies to your orange savior or his cronies. I got that.  You tell me YOUR definition of treason and I bet I can show you where 47 has committed it. Your guy is EVERYTHING you claim to be against.

A fetus is not a person, I don't care how you rationalize it. All the "Pro-Life" clowns have done is get a lot of useless laws passed that cannot be enforced. "Pro-Life" is a RELIGIOUS STANCE. Those laws are not Constitutional. NO LAWS promoting religion, remember. It does not matter if it's your religion.

"Right to Work" just means you don't support unions. Unions are the only reason your boss can't just let you die on the job. Unions are why we have weekends, holidays, paid leave... You don't want that?
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Reply #122 - 05/20/25 at 19:22:29
 
Needles wrote on 05/20/25 at 14:47:29:
"... A fetus is not a person, ..."


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Reply #123 - 05/20/25 at 20:18:47
 

You tell me YOUR definition of treason and I bet I can show you where 47 has committed it.

 Ahh good workaround.  Use personal definitions instead of the legal ones used in US law from the Constitution.
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Reply #124 - Yesterday at 07:21:45
 
Eegore wrote on 05/20/25 at 20:18:47:
You tell me YOUR definition of treason and I bet I can show you where 47 has committed it.

 Ahh good workaround.  Use personal definitions instead of the legal ones used in US law from the Constitution.  


Use whatever you want. 47 HAS met the criteria for treason, even by the Constitutional law. A coup attempt is treason, by the Constitutional definition. So is election manipulation (Aiding the enemies of the US.). You cannot rely on precedent, since there is NONE. There has never been a felon in the WH before. No President has ever declared themselves a dictator before. No real President has taken the Oath of Office and then proceeded to violate it from Day 1. ANY SC ruling for 47 is NEW. That's why he wanted to appoint incompetants as SC justices. So, you obviously have NOTHING, while I have evidence, not opinion, which is all YOU have.
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Reply #125 - Yesterday at 08:02:18
 
Use whatever you want. 47 HAS met the criteria for treason, even by the Constitutional law.

 So everyone working on prosecuting him is wrong and you are right?  Why isn't one single case utilizing treason as a prosecutable offense?  My  assessment is because they are using more applicable crimes.  

 
So, you obviously have NOTHING, while I have evidence, not opinion, which is all YOU have.

 Ok so I have provided multiple references in my posts that specifically meet your criteria for valid evidence.  Are you choosing to ignore this?
What one's have you offered?

 I can't find a single one besides your words on here.  

 If an outside observer looked over your posts on this thread, and my posts on this thread, which one's would be most likely considered "evidence"?  The posts with links to multiple references of US case law, or the ones with zero links?
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Reply #126 - Yesterday at 10:20:46
 
No links you've posted yet have anything to do with the discussion. You're just trying the old MAGA misdirection tactic. A coup attempt IS treason, and so is attempting to overthrow elections. I pointed out early on that the Dems are cowards. THAT, plus 47's incompetent cronies that he has appointed, who know NOTHING about the laws are what keep the charges of treason out of the courts. Once 47 is out, all that WILL happen.
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Reply #127 - Yesterday at 13:15:21
 
No links you've posted yet have anything to do with the discussion.

 I disagree.  My links offer direct interpretations and applications of Treason in US law.  SECTION 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.  How does that not apply?

 You utilize Nixon in your argument, You brought up Nixon, not me - I offered ArtII.S4.4.7 President Richard Nixon and Impeachable Offenses.  How does that have "nothing to do with the discussion"?  From my viewpoint it addresses exactly what you brought into the discussion.  

 Final Report of the Special Counsel Under 28 C.F.R. § 600.8, the report from the event You brought up "does not have anything to do with the discussion"?  You brought that up with zero evidence, I did nothing more than indicate how every legal professional addressing Merrick Garland's task of prosecuting Trump could not justify a Treason charge.

 So they aren't all wrong, it just has nothing to do with the conversation?  That sounds like misdirection to me.


 A coup attempt IS treason, and so is attempting to overthrow elections.

 I agree that a Coup attempt could be Treason, but it must include the actions acting in "direct nexus" to a foreign entity.  Trump encouraged Jan 6 for primarily personal gain which is illegal, but disqualifies Treason as Treason is not any action that indirectly assists an "Enemy".  I initially thought it was Treason as well, but once I educated myself and actually read through the procedures, historical and contemporary, I used the preponderance of evidence - not opinion - to concede my position was wrong, and every expert working decades in the field was right. 

 Here's more "nothing to do with the conversation" reference that I know NOTHING about:  https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-iii/clauses/...

 Trump can be a criminal without committing Treason.  It seems you just aren't willing to accept that.  
 

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Reply #128 - Today at 06:32:19
 
You keep trying to rely on PRECEDENT. That has no bearing on 47's actions as felon in office. You cannot use that as an argument. The MAGATs say they voted for change. They GOT change; precedents do not matter. The feds NEVER take anything to court that they are not 100% sure they will win. Garland's crew KNEW that 47's hand-picked cronies would never convict him, and, if they did, he'd just illegally pardon himself. They'll get him as soon as he's out of office, if he lives.
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Reply #129 - Today at 07:50:48
 
Needles wrote on Today at 06:32:19:
"... if he lives.


And more Threats !!!!!!!

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Reply #130 - Today at 13:58:00
 
You keep trying to rely on PRECEDENT.

 Incorrect.  I literally indicated historical AND contemporary with offered evidence.  Most of my sources outline the current use of Treason in US law.  For instance:  SECTION 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.  How is that "PRECEDENT"?  It applies to the POTUS today.

 We can't just make up new rules for the POTUS because an action never happened before - US law does not work like that.  You are making up new rules, like leaving out the mandated combination of criteria for "Treason" according to the US Constitution and stating only one has to apply.  

 Trump can be a criminal without committing Treason.  

 Again, I am willing to look at any reference for your position you provide, however while claiming I am not providing any evidence, you have yet to offer anything besides your own words.  That in itself does not meet your own standard for acceptable evidence according to you in this thread.

 
The feds NEVER take anything to court that they are not 100% sure they will win.

 This is logically unsound and provably false by utilizing PACER.

https://pacer.uscourts.gov/

 If the feds only prosecute 100% certainty then there would be zero cases lost by the "Feds" whatever you consider those to be.  While Federal prosecution has a very high rate of success, they certainly do lose cases.  

 
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