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Reply #30 - 06/16/25 at 13:54:58
 
Did Suzuki ever have a savage with 16” rear rims to match the front 19” ?
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Reply #31 - 06/16/25 at 15:52:55
 
Generally a larger aspect ratio tire (taller sidewall) is a bit more tolerant of rim width, as the increased sidewall height allows more flexibility....however there are still limits.

Also - when you increase the height of a tire by going to a higher aspect ratio you increase not only the amount of weight, you also increase the inertia of the tire as a result of the larger radius, and you change the rpm/mph ratio.  This can significantly slow down the acceleration and braking of the motorcycle, and also inhibit the ability to change direction quickly.  You get a bike that is slower and harder to turn (which is certainly not something I want).

I am more interested/concerned about "performance,longevity, safety" than I am about the "cruiser" look.  When you install a tire that is wider than suggested for a certain rim width, you compromise the performance.  The tread contact patch with the road is affected.  A tire that is squeezed onto a narrow rim has a narrower contact patch and the handling can feel very "tippy" when going in a straight line........it can also do weird things to the handling in a curve.  Most modern tires have a design that provides a small contact patch in a straight line and a big contact patch when leaned over.......when you use the wrong size rim you have altered the way a tire works.  (Vintage and Cruiser type tires may not have the same tread contact patch as a modern sport touring or sport tire).

I have run a rear tire as narrow as 110/90 on the back of my Savage on a 2.50" wide rim, and it never lost traction and handled fine.  I am currently using a 130/70-18 tire on a 3.50" wide rear rim and a 90/90-18 on a 2.15" wide front rim.  This is the perfect setup for the curvy roads that I ride.  The bike is a little twitchy in a straight line with this small front tire but works just fine when leaned over.....a 19" front wheel may be more desirable for straight line stability.

Stuffing an overly wide or tall tire onto a Savage will affect your handling in a negative way - but if you just ride around town and don't drag pegs in the curves and aren't worried about the center of your tire wearing out quicker than it should......it is your bike and you can put whatever tire you want on there.



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Reply #32 - 06/16/25 at 15:54:04
 
Peter Fonda wrote on 06/16/25 at 13:54:58:
Did Suzuki ever have a savage with 16” rear rims to match the front 19” ?


No.

Suzuki always had an IRC 140/80-15 rear tire.  It is not a great tire.
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Reply #33 - 06/16/25 at 16:31:05
 
Has anyone had any experience with the portawalls then ???
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Reply #34 - 06/16/25 at 18:15:12
 
ThumperPaul wrote on 06/16/25 at 10:36:37:
Dave wisely steered me to a 140/90-15 for my old S40.  And it was terrific.


Nope:  130/90-15 is very close to the original 140/80-15 size.

You have a good number of choices for the 130/90-15 - very few choices (1) in the 140/80-15 size.
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Reply #35 - 06/17/25 at 06:46:46
 
What are some good alternatives to white walls then rather then switch tire sizes ??

Like I know the portawalls and can get a set for bout 100$ cdn, I’m in Canada lol.  But I have heard they fray or lift or don’t stay out of driving over 60mph.  
What about paints ? How well will the paints hold up ? I also have seen guys “sanding down” their sidewalls for paint to stick to them lol.  Personally I think that is not a good idea for what I have seen I would be worried about a blow out or tire failure then.  
Are there like decals or special stickers maybe to adhere to rubber that could be used ?
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Reply #36 - 06/19/25 at 07:30:46
 
Here's a wacky idea.

If folks were able to get a 150/90-15 to fit, which is nominally  5.9" wide and 25.6" in diameter, then an old timey, 5.00-15, which is  5.1" wide and 24.4" diameter should fit on your LS650 easy as pie.

https://lucasclassictires.com/tires/500-15-bf-goodrich-2-whitewall/

And, the listing says that it's designed for a 3" wide rim, so fitting on the Suzuki 2.75" rim isn't much of a stretch.  ( I'd verify this spec. with the manufacturer)

The icing on the cake is that car tires are known to give crazy long tread life.  This might be the last tire you ever need to buy, and more economical in the long run than even a Shinko.

Is it considered "going darkside", when it's a WIDE whitewall?
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Reply #37 - 06/21/25 at 06:35:33
 
I don’t think it would ride very nice tho if it meant for cars or truck lol

Still curious if anyone has had any experience with the portawalls ? Someone has had to try them lol
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Reply #38 - 06/22/25 at 10:43:35
 
Dave wrote on 06/16/25 at 18:15:12:
ThumperPaul wrote on 06/16/25 at 10:36:37:
Dave wisely steered me to a 140/90-15 for my old S40.  And it was terrific.


Nope:  130/90-15 is very close to the original 140/80-15 size.

You have a good number of choices for the 130/90-15 - very few choices (1) in the 140/80-15 size.


WOOPS TYPO.  I meant 130/90-15.
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Reply #39 - 06/22/25 at 10:55:51
 
Axman88 wrote on 06/19/25 at 07:30:46:
Here's a wacky idea.

Is it considered "going darkside", when it's a WIDE whitewall?


I think of DARKSIDE as when someone puts a car tire on a bike.  Seems ridiculous to me.
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Reply #40 - 06/22/25 at 18:28:43
 
Has anyone had any luck with the portawalls or even used em that can chime in lol
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Reply #41 - Yesterday at 18:10:51
 
Is it possible to maybe swap the rear rim for another 15” rim ?? From a bike that has a wider rim itself Honda shadow or a larger Suzuki bike.
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Reply #42 - Today at 09:43:20
 
Peter Fonda wrote on Yesterday at 18:10:51:
Is it possible to maybe swap the rear rim for another 15” rim ?? From a bike that has a wider rim itself Honda shadow or a larger Suzuki bike.

Matching the spoke count is the most basic consideration.  I'm thinking our Suzis have 36 spokes, and most Shadows have 52, but maybe you can find a make/model with 36.  Different length spokes might be required, if the geometry of the rims don't match up.   Give a thought to the position and size of the valve stem hole.  Then rebuild the wheel on your hub, or pay somebody to do it for you.

If I was putting that amount of effort in, I'd change to 16" to get access to the wider assortment of tires targeted at the HD market, as I suggested in #22.
https://www.bmikarts.com/16-x-300-36-Spoke-Hole-Chrome-Rim-for-Harley-Davidso...
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Reply #43 - Today at 14:02:39
 
Cast or spoked wheels from the old Suzuki GS bikes will fit....the rear requires no modifications if you get the correct model.  Thankfully Suzuki has kept the brake and sprocket hub design similar on some models.

Finding 40-50 year old wheels in good shape takes some searching to find the best ones.

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Reply #44 - Today at 15:26:40
 
Dave wrote on Today at 14:02:39:
Cast or spoked wheels from the old Suzuki GS bikes will fit....the rear requires no modifications if you get the correct model.  Thankfully Suzuki has kept the brake and sprocket hub design similar on some models.

Wouldn't that take you from the 15", 2.75" wide rim to a 16", 2.50" wide rim?   Seems like the OP is focused on taking things in the wider direction.

Does a narrower 16" rim open up more white wall options?
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