zevenenergie wrote on Yesterday at 09:27:26:


Just tell him,
to tell ICE,
go to a town,
listen for a leaf blower,
then check the other 4
that are standing around,
leaning on a rake.

There must be willingness from both sides to come to cooperation, I see that too.

When I look at Israel, I see a collective trauma from the Second World War. Mossat was founded to ensure that something like that will never happen again.
And that combined with the Jewish mind of profiting from every situation, being the chosen people and that the country was promised to them.
That's quite a hostile mindset!

We look at everything from our Western culture, but if you were to eliminate the Iranian leader, that would be like eliminating the Pope for the Muslim world.

And the West has not learned from previous conflicts. We are the ones who throw stones at the windows in there eyes.


The Muslim world sees the repetition of Iraq, Libya, Gaza, the many coups in Africa.
The genocide in Gaza seems justified to the Americans, but for the Muslim world I can tell you with 99% certainty that they see it as the devil at work.

We could say that religion is the origin of this but that is not the case.

We humans are lived by all kinds of forces. Religion only covers that with a thin layer.
Netanyanu only has to say that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is Hitler and all Jews are hit in their collective pain and presto the hatred bursts out of people's ears.

My point is we are not separate from what is happening in the Middle East, we are also a plaything of the forces that are in man and we contribute to the conflict.

You cannot say that the past does not play a role, because you yourself are still under the spell of the past because you have been shaped by your culture, your upbringing, your traumas, your religion, etc.
It has shaped you and you have identified with it.

Only when you step out of your conditioning (out of your thinking) and meet your hate, fear, perversions and dissolve them.Come home in your body.
Only then do you live in the Here and Now. Only then you are a reiligius person, because there is nothing between you and God anymore.

So be very careful with what you say about killing a leader, it has already escalated too far, we should have gone inside a long time ago. Feel what is going on inside us. And take responsibility for it.

What is happening in the world now is because we are identified with our conditioned mind. The Americans, the Israelis, the Iranians, the whole word. We are all struggling with the same thing.

When I read stuff that zeven writes as a way to justify moral equivalency between two entities where there is no moral equivalency , I’m reminded of an old story I heard years ago. Whether it’s true or not I don’t know but it illustrates a good point.

Supposedly a British officer in India came upon the funeral pyre of an old wealthy man. They were tying his very much alive widow on top before lighting the logs. When the officer intervened, he was told to stay out of it, that this was their custom. The officer replied it was English custom to shoot anyone who tried to burn a woman alive.

The point is while it’s sometimes difficult to clearly see right from wrong when it comes to certain customs, there are some things which are universally wrong. Burning an innocent woman alive because her husband died is universally wrong. The Islamic terrorist goal to kill and wipe Israel off the map is universally wrong. Israel does not have that same mindset towards the Islamic world. That’s the difference that for whatever reason you can’t seem to grasp which causes you to diminish yourself by trying to link the two together.

When everyone has a moral compass, who decides the direction?
Perhaps who is most affected


 This has a low probability.  The one most capable decides.  

 For instance who decides if Israel gets nuked by Iran?  The side that has the best ability to produce their desired outcome.


 We run an exercise with teams going to Africa where they are transporting a female with a baby from one location to another.  They get stopped (or pinned down by resistance depending on the participant group type)  The situation evolves into making a decision to abandon the baby so the rest survive, or take the chance fighting a superior force, or surrender/death.  The baby will almost always die.  

 Why is that?  The humans with the greater propensity to choose and survive will do that.