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Re: Aftermarket Carb Kits - A Case Study
Reply #15 - 06/23/25 at 18:37:38
 
The “white spacer” has been shaved down to .076”, which raises the needle .037” (more rich).  A stock spacer is .113”.  Shaving down the white spacer is a typical tuning mod on the LS650, so it’s not unusual to find a thinner spacer.
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Reply #16 - 06/23/25 at 18:38:29
 
The needle jet is brass in lieu of stainless steel.  Always a bad sign.  Checking the orifice with a pin gage shows the orifice is .127”.  A stock needle jet has an orifice that is .121”.  The needle jets are generally provided in .0002” increments.  So, the brass needle jet is equivalent to 30 jet sizes larger than stock.  Ya think we will get enough fuel?  My goodness, that is a BIG needle jet.  I’m thinkin someone may have hit it with a drill.
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Reply #17 - 06/23/25 at 18:39:56
 
The air-bleed jets in the top of the carb are correct.  PJ1 is #45, PJ2 is #230.  Both jets were checked with pin gages to verify that they weren’t drilled out.
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Reply #18 - 06/23/25 at 18:40:47
 
The main jet is a #152.5 (3 sizes over stock) and the pilot jet is a #52.5 (stock).    Both were verified with pin gages to ensure they had not been drilled out.   I personally don’t view the oversize main jet as a problem, but it doesn’t help.  If the engine is stock or mildly modified, I recommend a #147.5 or #150.  The #152.5 won’t cause the reported overly rich condition at 1/8 throttle, it will only make the performance a little soft or lazy at WOT.

The main air bleed system was clear, no obstruction, and the air bleed jet is the correct size.  A .023” pin gage fits nicely.  No problems with air correction.
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Reply #19 - 06/23/25 at 18:41:24
 
The float bowl was crusty rusty.  Looks like water has been in here.
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Reply #20 - 06/23/25 at 18:42:15
 
The floats are a bit beat up, but they didn’t leak.
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Reply #21 - 06/23/25 at 18:42:59
 
When you remove the float pin, it’s best to support the post.  I have broken a post.  The little pin is a slight press fit, and it’s easy to break a post when you drive the pin out.  I use a long piece of brass tubing to buck up the post before I drive the pin out.
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Reply #22 - 06/23/25 at 18:43:56
 
The floats looked pretty funky, so they took a quick dip to check for leaks.  No bubbles observed.
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Reply #23 - 06/23/25 at 18:45:15
 
The float level was too low (33mm vs 28mm).

The spring-loaded pin in the needle was frozen.  It was completely ineffective.  That’s gotta go.
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Reply #24 - 06/23/25 at 18:46:03
 
It should look like this.  The pin should go into the needle valve when you press on the pin, and spring back when you release the pin.
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Reply #25 - 06/23/25 at 18:46:58
 
The needle seat was not captured.  The retainer plate and screw were missing.
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Reply #26 - 06/23/25 at 18:47:48
 
I tested the needle and seat for leakage.  Using a burette and mineral spirits to simulate fuel (safety first), the assembly failed miserably.  The burette was empty before I could blink.  It was most certainly a fire hazard if gasoline had been used as a test medium.
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Reply #27 - 06/23/25 at 18:48:30
 
The mineral spirits puked out of the main air bleed and dribbled down the carb.  This leaky needle & seat would certainly exacerbate an overly rich condition.  Glad I didn’t try to run this thing as-is, fire hazard for sure.
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Reply #28 - 06/23/25 at 18:49:09
 
The transient enrichment valve diaphragm is deteriorated.  This needs to be replaced.  It is a vacuum leak waiting to happen, but it would not cause an over-rich condition.
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Reply #29 - 06/23/25 at 18:53:48
 
Looks to me like we have the Niagara Falls of fuel delivery.  I think the way to fix this turkey is to:

-Install an OEM needle jet

-Install an OEM slide needle

-Replace the float needle & seat

-Install a float seat retainer and screw

-Adjust the float level

-Manufacture a custom idle mixture screw

-Machine the carb body to accept the custom idle mixture screw


We can do this.  Best to start by fixing up the leaky float needle & seat, and installing a good OEM needle jet and slide needle.  Let’s see how it works with those big problems fixed.  Then we will know if it is salvageable.

I installed a new float needle and seat from an aftermarket overhaul kit.  They are all yours ThumperLife, gratis.  I readjusted the float level to 28mm.  The subsequent mineral spirits test was satisfactory, 5 minutes, no leakage.

I temporarily installed my OEM needle jet and slide needle.  Rather than fiddle around with the spacer, I left my .065” spacer on the needle.  The OEM needle only has one groove, so no need to ponder which groove to put the eClip in.  If the carb works good, we know that new OEM parts will fix the problem.  I will take my parts out after the test.

I set the bogus mixture screw at 1.5 turns, and jacked the idle speed way up.

Let’s see how it works.  This video is proof of life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQntw1ahBQ
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