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Re: Aftermarket Carb Kits - A Case Study
Reply #30 - 06/23/25 at 19:02:19
 
So, now we know this jalopy carb can work.  Time to put the project on hold and see what ThumperLife wants to do.

ThumperLife, do you authorize me to try and fix the idle mixture screw hole in your carburetor body? The stock threads are M6 x 0.5.  I would machine the hole and re-thread to M7 x 0.5.  I already procured the necessary tooling.  There is a risk involved.  I could screw it up and ruin the carb body, but I would do my best to do a good job.  No guarantee, but I would do my best.

Before I start machining the carb body, I will make a custom mixture screw from brass.  The screw will mirror the geometry of a stock OEM screw with the exception that the threaded portion will be M7 x 0.5, and the threads will be a bit longer.  Machining the carb body will be dependent on successful completion of the custom mixture screw.

If the mixture screw and carb body come out well, I will reassemble the carb with my needle jet and needle and run it again to verify that it works correctly.  If it works correctly, you must then purchase a good, genuine Suzuki, OEM needle jet and needle.  No aftermarket stuff, Genuine Suzuki parts only.  It would be best if you had the new parts delivered here so that I can install them in the carb and test.

Piece 11      Needle Jet            09494-00861            (Babbitts lists for $41)
Piece 10      Needle            13383-24C40            (Babbitts lists for $15)


To address the TEV diaphragm, I ordered an aftermarket carb kit from Amazon.  I’m not buying this kit for you, I’m buying it for me.  I’m curious about the kit.  It’s cheap and I want to see what I can learn.  If the TEV diaphragm turns out to be a good part, I will install it in your carb (gratis, my gift to you).  Then I will report on the kit.  Hopefully it will have some useable components.  Either way, we will know if the vendor is a good source.


I will wait for your response.
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Reply #31 - 06/23/25 at 19:43:33
 
I suggest genuine Mikuni parts, instead of Suzuki parts, it is a Mikuni carb.
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Reply #32 - 06/23/25 at 20:10:29
 
Looks like you've been busy Mike!

YES. See if you can machine the carb for the mixture screw. I trust it will be fine, and if not, the carb was already not working well last time I had it.

Let me know how that goes, and I will get those other parts ordered.

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Reply #33 - 06/24/25 at 09:10:47
 
Working on carbs can bring lots of surprises - especially if the carb has been worked on previously.

I just did some work on 2 carbs from a fellow who sent them to me.  On one carb the float was badly bent - when it was attached it held the needle closed so no fuel would flow.

The other one had an amazing amount of crap above the screen that is attached to the seat for the float needle.  Heaven only knows what the fuel tank looked like!  It also has a #125 main jet installed - but a jet gauge showed it has been drilled out to a #160 size hole.

Both carbs needed some replacement parts and cleaned up well, and should work just fine.
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Reply #34 - 06/24/25 at 09:11:37
 
Another shot of the junk above the needle seat.
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Reply #35 - 06/24/25 at 09:12:40
 
Trashy!
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Reply #36 - 06/24/25 at 19:33:32
 
Years ago I was sent a carb to fix, and when opened up the entire bowl area looked like a slimy green Forrest of sorts…the worst I’d ever seen.
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Reply #37 - Yesterday at 20:15:22
 
The mixture screw was easy to manufacture.  I used a chunk of 3/8” brass stock.  First, I turned it down to the anticipated major diameter of the 7mm threads, and then turned a section to the minor diameter of the threads (essentially the tap drill size) to serve as a guide for the thread die.
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Reply #38 - Yesterday at 20:16:05
 
Used a thread die in the tail stock to cut M7 x 0.5 threads.
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Reply #39 - Yesterday at 20:17:19
 
Then started nibbling away at the smallest diameters first.  That way, the work piece will remain as rigid as reasonably achievable as I cut away at the thing.  Can’t use a live center or a steady rest on this microscopic piece.  The needle portion (taper) was cut to a 10° included angle until the point was right about .035”.  Best I could figure using a stock mix screw as a guide.  We’re only lookin at about 1/8” length with a change in diameter from .035” at the tip to .055” at the base.
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Reply #40 - Yesterday at 20:18:14
 
I ended up with this.  Not too shabby.  Hopefully I don’t wreck it when I part-off.
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Reply #41 - Yesterday at 20:19:12
 
When I was all finished with it, I did a visual comparison to the OEM screw.  I think that’s pretty close.  The OEM item might have a bit steeper taper (maybe 12°).
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Reply #42 - Yesterday at 20:20:09
 
Here’s a sketch of the new oversize screw.  For some of you it might come in handy.
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Reply #43 - Yesterday at 20:22:00
 
The carb body was a bit tougher.  Sorry, no pics of that machining operation.  It took me forever to get the thing aligned properly.  You can’t dial it in off the existing threaded hole because the hole was egg shaped (result of the prior drilling operation).  Without a drill press and a lot of patience, it would be very hard to drill one of these out correctly.  I spent a lot of time getting the drill rig centered on the lower .121” pilot hole.  Ultimately, I ended up with this.  I am very satisfied with the results.  The tap drill size for M7 x 0.5 is .256”, and a ¼ end mill gave me a hole right on .256”.  Talk about luck.
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Reply #44 - Yesterday at 20:23:04
 
The new screw fits nicely, and the action is smooth.  To verify that the screw was seating, I coated the tip with black ink from a Sharpie, then inserted it and ran it all the way home.  ThumperLife, refer to this picture in the future.  It should give you a good idea what the fully seated position looks like.
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