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Supreme Court this week
06/27/25 at 09:37:57
 
Lots of Trump winning this week.
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Reply #1 - Yesterday at 05:33:44
 
not the win you think
just changes the process, many class action
suits already filed
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Reply #2 - Yesterday at 06:13:23
 
No, it was a crushing defeat.

The Democrats/liberals on the Supreme court have turned into all out leftist. They’re your people now. If they weren’t justices, they’d be out there, scratching Teslas and locking police officers in their precinct and setting the building on fire.
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Reply #3 - Yesterday at 07:51:35
 
Used to be, If someone was a female SLAVE, and living in the USA, and had a child, that child was property, of the SLAVE owner.

When SLAVES, were not considered Property any more, a child born, by a person once considered a SLAVE, in the USA, was considered a USA resident.

That was the Law.

It does NOT, say a ILLEGAL female, who ILLEGALLY comes into this Nation, who is NOT a Citizen, who has a baby, that baby is suddenly a Citizen.

It does NOT say a female with a Visa, who has a baby here, that baby is suddenly a Citizen.

The LAW did not change, only thing that changed was the UL WOKE DFI FDS wanna be SOCIALISTS Became Full Blown, Communist Socialists.

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Reply #4 - Yesterday at 10:04:19
 

It does NOT, say a ILLEGAL female, who ILLEGALLY comes into this Nation, who is NOT a Citizen, who has a baby, that baby is suddenly a Citizen.

It does NOT say a female with a Visa, who has a baby here, that baby is suddenly a Citizen.


 It does not say that, but that is how it is applied.  Like how a speed limit does not have to say:

One can not go 31 in a 30mph zone.
One can not go 32 in a 30 mph zone.
One can not go 33 in a 30 mph zone.
One can not go 34 in a 30 mph zone.

 The 14th as interpreted by the SCOTUS indicates humans on ships in port or offspring of diplomatic humans under diplomatic immunity are not US citizens.   The problem is the use of "jus soli" in US law.  We may not like it, but that doesn't mean procedurally or in application it was done incorrectly.  

 What is going on now is exactly what the 14th needs.  It needs to be re-interpreted, or Amended, for use in modern time.  Griping that every court in the US, every lawyer, judge, LEO, have been wrong is a futile argument.  

 Times change, this is literally why we have the system we do.  Not to gripe and moan and say people are reading it wrong - but to implement necessary change.
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Reply #5 - Today at 03:45:07
 
It was written for the recently freed slaves, that’s all. The fact that it’s pacifically corrupt Indians out of the equation because The legislators of the time did not consider them to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

So yes, there needs to be a definitive ruling on this. Someone who illegally sneaks across the border and has a baby the next day, is that baby US citizen? You would have to be an idiot to believe that.
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Reply #6 - Today at 06:47:00
 
The fact that it’s pacifically corrupt Indians out of the equation because The legislators of the time did not consider them to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof.


 Except they were.  The "Sovereign" component to Indian tribes still included multiple Federal State Enabling Act's.  No tribe and land is exclusively "Sovereign" and exempt from all US law.

 Again, this whole "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." is the wrong argument.  Jurisdiction and who it applies to has been clearly defined.  People don't like it, so they say it's wrong, or they hope people fall for the alternative definitions nonsense.  Which works, look how many people use it.  

 It also doesn't work because not one legal challenge using "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." has ever won in court.  Not one.

 The 14th needs modern interpretation.  Not altered interpretations and definitions of past application.


Someone who illegally sneaks across the border and has a baby the next day, is that baby US citizen? You would have to be an idiot to believe that.

 Yes.  According to multiple rulings in US courts, the answer is yes.  If they are on "US Soil" and not the child of a Diplomat or from a ship on port - yes.  You have to be an idiot to think every single US citizenship process in the nation has been illegal for decades and decades with not one challenge and victory.  Not a single one out of millions was challenged and won.

 The fact we had to have an Executive Order proves that birthright citizenship has been legal this entire time.
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Reply #7 - Today at 08:13:16
 
“…illegally sneaks across the border and has a baby the next day, is that baby US citizen? …”

“…  Yes.  According to multiple rulings in US courts, the answer is yes.  …”


The 14 doesn’t need to be ripped apart, then re-written, like some want the 2nd  to  be  done.

Things ‘added’ to the 2nd,  have been going on for a very long time, and they are enforceable,
(well, unless you are the son of a POTUS, and send the Secret Service to STEAL the proof).


Add a simple piece to the 14th, by the same mechanism as so many were added to the 2nd.
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Reply #8 - Today at 08:56:35
 

The 14 doesn’t need to be ripped apart, then re-written, like some want the 2nd  to  be  done.


 I don't know who they are but my recommendation is the removal of two words, since that those words have resulted in many gun control measures being passed.  How many losses does it take to know you are losing?



Add a simple piece to the 14th, by the same mechanism as so many were added to the 2nd.

 Agreed.  Stop arguing the "jurisdiction" stance since it has literally never worked once, not once ever, and use techniques that do work.  

 Let's review: Use methods that do work.
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Reply #9 - Today at 09:24:26
 
"...   since that those words have resulted in many gun control measures being passed.  ..."

The 2, 'words', did NOT result in, CONTROL of Guns.
It was the LACK of education.

They were spawned by the UL, FDS, WOKE, DFI, Socialists, who simply were not able to understand what the meaning was.
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Reply #10 - Today at 09:53:57
 
The 2, 'words', did NOT result in, CONTROL of Guns.
It was the LACK of education.


 Those words were the defining factor.  How many will it take to understand that re-educating millions of people is more work than eliminating the two words they use to win?

 We have control over the word used in Amendments, we do not have anywhere near the same level of control over education and also how humans perceive it.



They were spawned by the UL, FDS, WOKE, DFI, Socialists, who simply were not able to understand what the meaning was.

 Yep, and they still keep winning.  Take away the weapon, or keep complaining people don't interpret it correctly?

 I prefer to take away the single most used parameter to win gun control measures over complaining that people aren't educated right.  I prefer effective strategy over gripes, whining and expecting my words to control other humans.
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Reply #11 - Today at 10:07:54
 
MnSpring wrote on Today at 09:24:26:
"...   since that those words have resulted in many gun control measures being passed.  ..."

The 2, 'words', did NOT result in, CONTROL of Guns.
It was the LACK of education.

They were spawned by the UL, FDS, WOKE, DFI, Socialists, who simply were not able to understand what the meaning was.


was the maga madman that killed Melisa Hortman educated?
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