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Reply #15 - Today at 05:28:11
 
Just because the jurisdiction argument has failed, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

 Agreed.  It just doesn't not work.  It's an argument with zero successful outcomes.  



It’s right, but the political willpower hasn’t been there before. Maybe it is now. The case around 1900 that establish this birthright principle was just simply decided wrong.

 I think it was decided correctly for its time.  Today however it is abused and is unsustainable.  




As evidence, when someone is deported, they are sent back to their home country who generally accept them. If that’s not evidence that they’re subject to the jurisdiction of another nation, I don’t know what it is.

 Except they are also under US jurisdiction while on US soil.  Or can tourists just do whatever they want and ignore US laws?  The problem with continuing to use that argument is it doesn't work.  It's never worked, simply because jus soli and jurisdiction in US law is very specifically interpreted, combined with precedence, it's been a losing argument, every single time.
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Reply #16 - Today at 06:11:25
 
There’s a difference between following the law and being under a nation’s jurisdiction isn’t there?
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Reply #17 - Today at 09:11:44
 

There’s a difference between following the law and being under a nation’s jurisdiction isn’t there?

 Yes.  When a human is on US soil they have to follow the laws, they are also under the jurisdiction of the US legal system unless they are from a ship in port, or a Diplomat with active diplomatic immunity.  

 So for illegal immigrants, when they arrive in US territory they are under US jurisdiction as in a specific court or legal authority has the power and right to make decisions and exercise control over any particular situation, person, or territory.  Illegal immigrants can be arrested, tried, and incarcerated for crimes here because they are under our jurisdiction.  
 

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Reply #18 - Today at 09:37:25
 
Under the jurisdiction thereof, has to (should) mean more than just being legally obligated to following local laws. Otherwise, what was the point of excluding Indians? They excluded them because they were under the jurisdiction of their local tribes.

An illegal immigrant, who sneaks into the country, has a baby and then claims citizenship for that child, just doesn’t seem to fit with the bigger concept of under the jurisdiction thereof.

The Chinese case in the early 1900s that was the foundation for birthright citizenship, seems to, in my opinion, was decided with poor logic. The parents had been in the country for years. Perhaps it’s a case where a certain amount of time qualifies you as being under the jurisdiction of the United States.
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Reply #19 - Today at 11:16:53
 
When Republicans say they want us to have more babies...
They mean white babies
It's just hard to say that out loud

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Reply #20 - Today at 12:21:08
 
Under the jurisdiction thereof, has to (should) mean more than just being legally obligated to following local laws. Otherwise, what was the point of excluding Indians? They excluded them because they were under the jurisdiction of their local tribes.

 They excluded them because they didn't want them to be US citizens.  The SCOTUS stated in 1831 for Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, 30 U.S. (5 Peters) 1, tribal governments are not US "States" Constitutionally, and they are not "Foreign States," in regard to Article III original jurisdiction.

https://www.fjc.gov/history/timeline/cherokee-nation-v-georgia

 Jurisdiction applies to Tribal Lands.  I imagine if an illegal immigrant was on Tribal Lands they would be under the jurisdiction of that tribe.  At that point the The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 would have to be taken into consideration.  

 Yet another example of how this jurisdiction argument, in court, goes nowhere.  Native Americans are specifically recognized as being under the jurisdiction of their Tribal Court/Laws if you will, and also every single one born is a US Citizen, simply for being born on US soil.  Jus Soli again.

 


An illegal immigrant, who sneaks into the country, has a baby and then claims citizenship for that child, just doesn’t seem to fit with the bigger concept of under the jurisdiction thereof.

 Except every single court ruling has said they are.  Not one case exists that says otherwise.  


The Chinese case in the early 1900s that was the foundation for birthright citizenship, seems to, in my opinion, was decided with poor logic. The parents had been in the country for years. Perhaps it’s a case where a certain amount of time qualifies you as being under the jurisdiction of the United States.

 This would be an argument that uses a logic other than the consistently defeated, as in always, every time, argument of jurisdiction.  Time-based evaluation would be an updated, and in my opinion, needed change.  
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