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Reply #180 - Yesterday at 04:44:14
 
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Reply #181 - Yesterday at 06:44:56
 
Needles wrote on Yesterday at 04:18:57:


So a ABSOLUTE MANDATE,
By the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
That a 'substance',
be put in to your body,
which is NOT a absolute,
which benefits only one group.

 Is perfectly OK.

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Reply #182 - Yesterday at 10:18:45
 
So a ABSOLUTE MANDATE,
By the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
That a 'substance',
be put in to your body,
which is NOT a absolute,
which benefits only one group.

Is perfectly OK.



 Not the issue.  It is illegal for medical staff to destroy medications and lie about administering them - and it should be.  All he had to do was have the nuts to refuse administering the vaccine like hundreds and hundreds of others did.

 Instead he falsified documents.  No amount of disagreeing with a type of medicine should allow for the blatant breaking of the law.  Not one government mandate placed these parents at gunpoint and forced them to vaccinate their kids.  Those parents also should have had the nuts to refuse and engage in the alternatives.  

 Once we have a system of legal falsification of medical records, we will see a decline in medical care.  Need a drug test to get a job?  No problem buy the fake clean test from the hospital.  Need a platelet count to get an elective surgery without dying?  No problem, pay for the high platelet count from the Hematologist.  Let each surgeon decide if they really do what they claimed on paper, or lied, without consequence - thats a great idea.

What do you mean I still have my left diseased kidney?  

Well it's legal for surgeons to claim they conducted a medical procedure, then put false information onto your medical records now.  

 Oh ok, thanks for the information.
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Reply #183 - Yesterday at 12:17:59
 
Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 10:18:45:
"...  Not one government mandate placed these parents at gunpoint and forced them ..."


Correct, they did NOT.

The government's mandate's just said:

You couldn't have a particular job, (unless you lied)

You couldn't go to a restaurant, movie, bar, etc, (unless you lied)

You could not go to a small local store, (But Big Box Stores you could)

And on and on and on.and on



"... have the nuts to refuse administering the vaccine ..."

Just like Dr. Scott Jensen did. (who was my Doctor for, MANY YEARS, when I was in MN) Who was Harassed and threatened by Makers of the vaccine, and the AMA.  

Yet the Fear, Threatening, Lying, Shaming, Ostracism, SCARED many. So they did what Fauci told them to do.

No doubt that lead to lying about giving shots/vaccination cards.


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Reply #184 - Yesterday at 16:31:34
 
Correct, they did NOT.

The government's mandate's just said:

You couldn't have a particular job, (unless you lied)


 Incorrect.  You could get vaccinated. You did not have to lie, you chose to.



You couldn't go to a restaurant, movie, bar, etc, (unless you lied)

 Incorrect.  You could get vaccinated - you did not have to lie, you chose to.



You could not go to a small local store, (But Big Box Stores you could)

And on and on and on.and on



 Not true.  You did not have to lie, you chose to.  None of it was right or fair, but nobody was given the choice of eating at a restaurant OR lying in exclusivity - but it sounds better if we omit the obvious truth.



"... have the nuts to refuse administering the vaccine ..."

Just like Dr. Scott Jensen did. (who was my Doctor for, MANY YEARS, when I was in MN) Who was Harassed and threatened by Makers of the vaccine, and the AMA.  

Yet the Fear, Threatening, Lying, Shaming, Ostracism, SCARED many. So they did what Fauci told them to do.

No doubt that lead to lying about giving shots/vaccination cards.



 This is true.  If ICE would stop arresting people I wouldn't have to make fake Green Cards and Passports.

 None of that makes falsifying medical records and procedures legal.  This is criminal conduct being disguised as noble conduct.  It is unfortunate for Dr. Jensen, but hundreds never had this problem - literally the entire Centura network was allowed to decline, so I can't say it was extensive.  

 I don't care if someone's kid doesn't get a vaccination, but I do care when they lie about it and expose their unvaccinated kid to other kids.  They want their freedom, but also want to lie to everyone else so they can get what they want for their kid.  That action is duplicitous with the outcome of stripping other parents of their freedoms.  Just be honest.  The only thing this surgeon did was allow people to lie to the community so they could get what they wanted.

 Measles is the big thing now - so should Doctors legally be able to inject saline into kids and lie about their vaccination status by providing a false vaccination record?  Simple yes or no.  Should Doctors be able to give false vaccination records for measles vaccines?  
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Reply #185 - Yesterday at 18:30:03
 
"... The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has consistently affirmed that employers have the legal right to require COVID-19 vaccinations as a condition of employment, ..."


"... Under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, however, mandates must be balanced with employee rights to request exemptions based on disability or sincerely held religious beliefs. ..."

So, one can get a job with the (US) GOVERNMENT, (and others), just get the jab, or LIE !
(if you do not have 'sincerely held religious beliefs', or a disability)


"...Measles is the big thing now ..."

Yep,  "... Thanks to the introduction of a vaccine in 1963, measles was considered eliminated in the US in 2000.  ..."

Wonder if Hundreds of Thousand people, SNEAKING into. this Nation, (Who were NEVER VACATED), had anything to do with it ?

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Reply #186 - Yesterday at 19:45:55
 
 So should Doctors legally be able to inject saline into kids and lie about their vaccination status by providing a false vaccination record?  Simple yes or no.  Should Doctors be able to give false vaccination records for measles vaccines?  




So, one can get a job with the (US) GOVERNMENT, (and others), just get the jab, or LIE !
(if you do not have 'sincerely held religious beliefs', or a disability)


 LIE! is something one can always do.  The problem is legalizing the falsification of medical records.  Want to donate plasma or blood for money but have HIV?  Go get a false blood record from a hematologist, since they can't be prosecuted, after all if Big Medical wasn't trying to keep HIV blood from being given to patients then people wouldn't have to LIE! and go get those fake blood records.

 I should have the freedom to make money donating blood right?  Any doctor creating false records is simply assisting me with exercising my freedom to give blood right?  Giving me back choices stripped of me by the Government.
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Reply #187 - Today at 06:27:52
 
Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 19:45:55:
 So should Doctors legally be able to inject saline into kids and lie about their vaccination status by providing a false vaccination record?  Simple yes or no.  Should Doctors be able to give false vaccination records for measles vaccines?


Of course they should not !

Just like someone should not KILL another person, for parking in the wrong spot.
Just like a group of people should not STEAL BILLIONS from tax payers.
Just like people should not SNEAK into this Nation.
Just like people  should not LIE.
And On and On and On.

Yet it happens.  
It is NOT right,
just like someone
FORCING you to LIE.

"...  LIE! is something one can always do ..."

Absolutely !  Yet one should ALWAYS try their best not to.

"...I should have the freedom to make money donating blood right? ..."

You DO, have the right to Sell Blood.
You do not get money when you GIVE/DONATE blood.

And, you can lie about your blood malady, before, 'giving/selling', it.
It is not right, yet it happens.


'LYING', happens all over this spaceship, millions of times a day.

(Oh, "millions of times a day", is a guess, it is not a result of a survey)





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Of course they should not !

Just like someone should not KILL another person, for parking in the wrong spot.
Just like a group of people should not STEAL BILLIONS from tax payers.
Just like people should not SNEAK into this Nation.
Just like people  should not LIE.
And On and On and On.


 So since other people commit crimes we should not charge people with crimes.  Same old "But Billy broke TWO windows!!" argument.  So Bobby gets a pass to break windows as long as he breaks less than Billy.




Yet it happens.  
It is NOT right,
just like someone
FORCING you to LIE.


 Nobody is FORCING anyone to lie.  The parents just wanted their kids to have vaccine cards.  They were never FORCED to LIE about their kids vaccinations and the surgeon was never FORCED to make those false medical records - this is literally a Needles argument.  He is forced to lie because Trump lies more remember.  

 Have some integrity.  If ICE wasn't arresting people then illegal immigrants wouldn't be FORCED to LIE.  Or maybe illegal immigrants are breaking laws.  


You DO, have the right to Sell Blood.
You do not get money when you GIVE/DONATE blood.


 Agreed.  I never said "GIVE/DONATE" blood for that very reason.



And, you can lie about your blood malady, before, 'giving/selling', it.
It is not right, yet it happens.


 Agreed.  But should we charge Hematologists that intentionally create false medical records allowing HIV donators can GIVE/DONATE blood?  

 Want to donate Hepatitis?, just get a clean blood record, no charges filed against the Hematologist, the justification being that other people LIE! and people sneak into the country?

 Thats why we should allow falseification of medical records?

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Reply #189 - Today at 08:16:12
 
Eegore wrote on Today at 06:52:55:
"...  So since other people commit crimes we should not charge people with crimes.  Same old "But Billy broke TWO windows!!" argument.  So Bobby gets a pass to break windows as long as he breaks less than Billy...."


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"...  Nobody is FORCING anyone to lie.  ..."
 
Yep. It was LIE, or Jab.


"... Thats why we should allow falseification of medical records? ..."


Never said that, in fact said/IMPLIED Falsifying records is WRONG.



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"...  Nobody is FORCING anyone to lie.  ..."
Yep. It was LIE, or Jab.


 Incorrect.  One could also not get a jab.  Ignoring that won't make it go away.  Just like illegal immigrants have to LIE or get arrested - no other choices right?



Never said that, in fact said/IMPLIED Falsifying records is WRONG.

 Ok fair enough.  So this surgeon commited multiple crimes and as such should be charged for that.  He destroyed medications, and falsified records so unvaccinated humans could LIE and interact freely with vaccinated humans.    

 They could have remained unvaccinated and not LIED about it.  The government did not FORCE them to LIE anymore than the convoluted and costly citizenship process FORCES illegal immigrants to LIE.  

 The particularly egregious part of this is that it was done in a way to stop other parents from knowing the truth.  Considering at the time the impacts were unknown, this was a human using his personal Observations over any other data, to assist people in lying to others specific to concealing potential threats to others.  

 We know now it was no big deal, but at the time there is no way he could have known how Covid would spread among unvaccinated children.  For instance vaccinated kids carrying the virus while remaining asymptomatic, which is the definition of what you do not want to happen in regard to infectious disease.  

 He LIED with the purpose of denying the community choice, he should be charged.
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Reply #191 - Today at 12:12:03
 
Eegore wrote on Today at 11:21:53:
"  Incorrect.  One could also not get a jab " 


I will, Splain, that in more detail.

If one, wanted a JOB,  (then)
at several places including the government,
one would HAVE to get the shot,
OR,  declare/prove, "sincerely held religious beliefs",
Or,  claim, "disability".

So, if one can say, without Lying, one of those things, then you're correct, you are not 'Forced' to take the injection.

Yet for the vast, majority of people wanting one of those jobs, they were Forced to take the jab, or LIE.


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Reply #192 - Today at 13:21:24
 
I believe the jobs in question are jobs with the federal government, or federal contractors, mainly, with other employers being on that list voluntarily, were they not? So, MAGATs were willing to LIE to get those jobs with the feds that they say no one needed anyway? Did Trump NOT sh1t-can those jobs anyway? Sounds like hypocrisy, doesn't it?



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Reply #193 - Today at 14:18:59
 
how bad would covid have gotten without vaccines?
you'd think the measles outbreaks would enlighten the anti-jabbers
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