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Reply #255 - 01/21/26 at 07:49:18
 
The CBO reports that 96% of the extra costs of tariffs is borne by the consumer.

NOT an opinion.




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Reply #256 - 01/21/26 at 09:20:30
 
Needles wrote on 01/21/26 at 07:49:18:
The CBO reports that 96% of the extra costs of tariffs is borne by the consumer.

NOT an opinion.

I seriously doubt that.


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Reply #257 - 01/21/26 at 09:34:56
 

"I seriously doubt that."

 The CBO may report it that way but they got most of that information, in my opinion, from the Kiel Institute report found here:

 

https://www.kielinstitut.de/fileadmin/Dateiverwaltung/IfW-Publications/fis-im...

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Reply #258 - 01/21/26 at 09:40:27
 
[quote author=6D5F58494E5F48775B48513A0 link=1761226520/255#256 date=1769016030][quote author=5E7575747C7563100 link=1761226520/255#255 date=1769010558]The CBO reports that 96% of the extra costs of tariffs is borne by the consumer

I seriously doubt that.

your brain worm is taking over!


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Reply #259 - 01/21/26 at 13:59:26
 
Eegore wrote on 01/21/26 at 09:34:56:
"I seriously doubt that."

 The CBO may report it that way but they got most of that information, in my opinion, from the Kiel Institute report found here:

 

https://www.kielinstitut.de/fileadmin/Dateiverwaltung/IfW-Publications/fis-im...



I work for an international company and many of our overseas suppliers were subject to tariffs. Some made the point of telling us they were not passing on the cost, they’d cover it, some did pass on a part of the cost, some passed on all the cost but as of this point, we did not pass along any costs to a customer in the form of a price increase. And by the way, eating the cost was often times accomplished with a price decrease to make up for the fact the exporter paid the tariff and passed that cost onto us. Don’t think a foreign manufacturing company and exporter they used are separate. They may be technically separate, but they operate together in situations like this often.

I go back to the question which I’ve asked many times, and which I’ve heard others ask, there was a big push to increase minimum wage, which is a cost, but there was no concern about if this would be passed on to the consumer. The consensus was the companies would just eat that cost and not pass that cost along to the consumer. In fact, it was expected of them.

Why is it not expected companies should eat the tariff?
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Reply #260 - 01/21/26 at 21:57:03
 
what percentage of all our suppliers is that?
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Reply #261 - Yesterday at 06:01:50
 
The minimum wage argument is just BS. You can't argue that prices will increase with a higher minimum wage when the prices increased anyway. Very simply, it is capitalist greed. The corporations refuse to make LESS than they've made in the past. They pay their top management many times what they are worth, and pay the workers, who are the REAL source of their wealth, like garbage. That also means US capitalism can NOT compete on the world markets.



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Reply #262 - Yesterday at 06:45:52
 
I go back to the question which I’ve asked many times, and which I’ve heard others ask, there was a big push to increase minimum wage, which is a cost, but there was no concern about if this would be passed on to the consumer. The consensus was the companies would just eat that cost and not pass that cost along to the consumer. In fact, it was expected of them.

Why is it not expected companies should eat the tariff?


 I think, which implies this is an opinion, that tariffs and base wages are fundamentally different in how they apply cost to a business.  

 For instance I can very accurately calculate this years wages cost and formulate a rather accurate potential cost for 2026.  I can not do this with tariffs.  I bought some drone sensors that run about $1200 each and paid 1200 in import fees each.  I can not simply absorb the increase in cost during the time that tariffs were that high.  

 Now those tariffs are much lower and I could easily absorb the cost.  The problem is not tariffs in general, it is the current instability and fluctuations.  This is an opinion.  An example is the market reaction to Trump stating he will increase tariffs on select EU nations because they do not support his Greenland approach, then the market adjustment when Trump said he would not follow through.  
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Reply #263 - Yesterday at 06:50:24
 
The minimum wage argument is just BS. You can't argue that prices will increase with a higher minimum wage when the prices increased anyway. Very simply, it is capitalist greed. The corporations refuse to make LESS than they've made in the past. They pay their top management many times what they are worth, and pay the workers, who are the REAL source of their wealth, like garbage. That also means US capitalism can NOT compete on the world markets.

 I can say that the local pizza joint had to increase prices they otherwise would not increase based off the increase in minimum wage.  

 They did have other options, like reducing staff.  The owner makes about 60k a year, so I guess he could take a cut and get a part-time job, but I think it's more realistic to add a dollar to the delivery fee and 30 cents to the chicken toppings.  This is my opinion.

 I know a number of businesses where the minimum wage directly impacts their profit margin.  
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Reply #264 - Yesterday at 08:28:12
 
thumperclone wrote on 10/23/25 at 08:55:41:
 
Now America is run by Trump.
Trump will go down in history as the best president America has ever had.


A malignant narcissist with incipient dementia the best?
not hardly
he's neck and neck with Nixon as the worst
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Typical of the left wackos:  they have no ideas to put forward, so they resort to personal attacks.
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Reply #265 - Yesterday at 14:35:38
 
Egore--- those aren't businesses. A real business makes a profit AFTER paying the cost of doing business.

Buster--- your TV has obviously been broken for years...




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Reply #266 - Yesterday at 16:09:49
 


Buster--- your TV has obviously been broken for years...
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Reply #267 - Yesterday at 16:31:24
 

Egore--- those aren't businesses. A real business makes a profit AFTER paying the cost of doing business.


 They do make a profit AFTER expenses.  I literally said the owner pulls 60k a year.  That's profit.  

 My point is a small business is impacted by wage increases, especially those that pay minimum wage, and the ideal mitigation is to pass that cost to the consumer.  

 Of course we can dodge that truth by creating some false misnomer that only large businesses or corporations are "real" businesses, but we all know that's an amateur way to misdirect.  Profitable small businesses raise prices due to wage increases, that's not uncommon in my opinion.
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Reply #268 - Today at 03:48:53
 
Needles wrote on Yesterday at 06:01:50:
The minimum wage argument is just BS. You can't argue that prices will increase with a higher minimum wage when the prices increased anyway.
What? Payroll is an expense like any other expense that factors into selling price.

Very simply, it is capitalist greed. The corporations refuse to make LESS than they've made in the past. They pay their top management many times what they are worth, and pay the workers, who are the REAL source of their wealth, To some degree, sure. I traded my time to my company in exchange for a salary. When I decide my time is more valuable than my salary, I look elsewhere. If they determine my salary does not justify the time I commit to them, they look elsewhere.like garbage. That also means US capitalism can NOT compete on the world markets.
obviously, not true.

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Reply #269 - Today at 03:53:11
 
Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 06:45:52:
I go back to the question which I’ve asked many times, and which I’ve heard others ask, there was a big push to increase minimum wage, which is a cost, but there was no concern about if this would be passed on to the consumer. The consensus was the companies would just eat that cost and not pass that cost along to the consumer. In fact, it was expected of them.

Why is it not expected companies should eat the tariff?


 I think, which implies this is an opinion, that tariffs and base wages are fundamentally different in how they apply cost to a business.  

 For instance I can very accurately calculate this years wages cost and formulate a rather accurate potential cost for 2026.  I can not do this with tariffs.  I bought some drone sensors that run about $1200 each and paid 1200 in import fees each.  I can not simply absorb the increase in cost during the time that tariffs were that high.  

 Now those tariffs are much lower and I could easily absorb the cost.  The problem is not tariffs in general, it is the current instability and fluctuations.  This is an opinion.  An example is the market reaction to Trump stating he will increase tariffs on select EU nations because they do not support his Greenland approach, then the market adjustment when Trump said he would not follow through.  


Trumps inconsistent tariffs, and just as important, threats about imposing tariffs, create chaos in the market. It certainly has an ours. In Trump’s  opinion, that’s a benefit to the United States. All of “the sky is falling” predictions over the past year have not come true so I would say Trump’s strategy has worked.
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