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'86 Ingniter testing?
11/01/25 at 23:02:43
 
Pretty sure I fried my igniter.  Before I tear it apart to look at the innards, is there a way to test it?  Tried search and poking around the forums to no avail.  I did find the links to IgniTech so if it is fried at least I have that option as opposed to paying near $400 for a used ebay piece.  

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Re: '86 Ingniter testing?
Reply #1 - 11/02/25 at 01:22:44
 
Mike,
By all means, get an Ignitec. It will come to you pre-configured as a drop in replacement and if you want to, you can later program your own retard curve, Edit: should be: Advance curve) set a rev-limit Edit: And you can make the hard limit soft by retarding the ignition just below the rev limit and a lot of other finesse features, like take input from throttle position to influence retard curve.
With an Ignitec ignition module in your bike, there is no going back.

I was lucky to revive my ignitor, by exchanging the diodes, but it never produced a good idle, and without a schematic I plain gave up on the ignitor.

I have no association with Ignitech, other than being a very satisfied customer.

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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Reply #2 - Yesterday at 08:54:04
 
KLM wrote on 11/01/25 at 23:02:43:
Pretty sure I fried my igniter.  Before I tear it apart to look at the innards, is there a way to test it?


How do you think that you fried the ICU?  Electric welding?  Jump starting?

FinnHammer got pretty far into testing a Savage ICU, but I don't think he ever got a result that he felt was satisfactory.
https://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1749758893/15

Since we don't have a documented healthy trigger signal from the pickup coil, or know which transition in that signal is intended to trigger the ignition event, how would one know what sort of signal the ICU will accept?  These are questions that need to be asked and answered while a system is still healthy and operating.

What test equipment do you have available?
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Reply #3 - Yesterday at 12:54:09
 
Not paying cliose enough attention and hooked my new lithium battery up backwards.  

Just a multimeter for testing
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Reply #4 - Today at 07:46:43
 
KLM wrote on Yesterday at 12:54:09:
Not paying cliose enough attention and hooked my new lithium battery up backwards.  

Just a multimeter for testing


I don't think that a multimeter will get one very far towards differentiating a functional ICU from a non-functional one, at least, not without a published procedure from the manufacturer.

Generally, ICUs are pretty "hardened" against the usual mistakes, like a reverse voltage cranking battery, and also reasonable levels of overvoltage.  What IS vulnerable, is the rectifier, whose diodes treat the reverse voltage like a short, and quickly blow.  Also, of course, fuses, and possibly sections of harness that might be fusible links.  Not sure if there were any of these in the Savage, but the use of fusible links was a more popular practice back in the 80s.

If you haven't already, I would check all the supply side and ground wiring that serves the ignition system, and also disconnect the Rectifier / Regulator, and see if the bike will start and run without that component attached.  Also, be aware that ICU's generally have pre-set internal voltage limits, that will prevent them from attempting to make spark if supply voltage drops too low, generally around 10VDC.  You need a good battery.  I use a big car battery as a temporary power source when diagnosing and testing.

The thread I linked to in my previous post, identifies certain diodes on the ICU board, which are there to protect from high voltage transients.  If the ICU is nonfunctional, a visual inspection might reveal some burnt components, which can be replaced.  I'd also be alert for failed capacitors, electrolytics can age out.  These might require desoldering in order to test them however.  A lot of specialized knowledge / experience is valuable in diagnosing electrical problems, and it's something of a lost art vs. a few decades ago.

There does exist a few service providers that MAY offer repair:
https://www.regulatorrectifier.com/products/atv-and-motorcycle-cdi-tci-ecu-ig...
https://ecumeistro.com/motorcycle-ecu/
https://www.cdielectronics.com/premier-repair-service/
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