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01/09/26 at 06:34:50
 
"... Massive increase in violence against ICE agents
DHS law enforcement is facing a 1,150% increase in assaults against them and an 8,000% increase in death threats ...""



Thank the Ultra Liberal, DFI, WOKE, FDS Socialists !!!!
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #1 - 01/09/26 at 12:05:32
 
Maybe they should quit violating cities, human rights, the Constitution, get a job at McDonalds
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Reply #2 - 01/09/26 at 12:44:03
 
DHS IS a threat to US lives.




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Reply #3 - Yesterday at 05:11:36
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/09/26 at 12:05:32:
Maybe they should quit violating cities, human rights, the Constitution, get a job at McDonalds

Maybe leftist bored with life and desperate for some meaning to their life should find a hobby other than getting between police doing their jobs.

This political nonsense is just a game to some people and Babbitt and Good got themselves killed because they thought their cause was legit.
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Reply #4 - Yesterday at 05:15:05
 
Maybe leftist bored with life and desperate for some meaning to their life should find a hobby other than getting between police doing their jobs. [/quote]

ICE has no arresting powers, they're not LEOS. more like a hit squad
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Reply #5 - Yesterday at 05:19:17
 
So I finally saw the video from the officer’s point of view. Again, the ultimate play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Those two women foolishly acted on the nonsense leftist are preaching about ICE being Nazis, Gestapo, etc.

Again, I wish the officer had not shot and killed her. On the other hand, if my wife or family member was an officer in that spot I’d want them to protect herself. Regardless, this entire thing is the fault of that woman and her stupid wife egging her on.
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ICE has no arresting powers, they're not LEOS. more like a hit squad

 This right here is how people will keep getting killed.  ICE is a law enforcement agency, they can detain you.  

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Reply #7 - Yesterday at 09:42:35
 
Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 08:30:04:
ICE has no arresting powers, they're not LEOS. more like a hit squad

 This right here is how people will keep getting killed.  ICE is a law enforcement agency, they can detain you.  



It’s just a game they’re playing but they don’t pay the price. It’s abstract.
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Reply #8 - Yesterday at 09:46:04
 
WebsterMark wrote on Yesterday at 09:42:35:
Eegore wrote on Yesterday at 08:30:04:
ICE has no arresting powers, they're not LEOS. more like a hit squad

 This right here is how people will keep getting killed.  ICE is a law enforcement agency, they can detain you.  



It’s just a game they’re playing but they don’t pay the price. It’s abstract.

ICE assignation squads are not abstract
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ICE assignation squads are not abstract

 If they actually were assassination squads it wouldn't be abstract.  You'd be pointing to all the people You actually know that they killed.

 This reminds me of all the Sovereign Citizens that lose case after case denying how the real world actually works.
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Reply #10 - Yesterday at 15:07:44
 
ICE has no arresting power FOR CITIZENS not involved in border related crime. (Normally, I wouldn't have to keep restating the obvious in an ongoing discussion, but MAGATs don't even realize what they are saying in real time...) Good was a US citizen.




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Reply #11 - Yesterday at 17:11:52
 
ICE has no arresting power FOR CITIZENS not involved in border related crime. (Normally, I wouldn't have to keep restating the obvious in an ongoing discussion, but MAGATs don't even realize what they are saying in real time...) Good was a US citizen.

 ICE can detain humans. Instructing a human to exit a vehicle is not an arrest.   For that matter any LEO can legally order a human to exit a vehicle.  This is according to multiple rulings by the SCOTUS. 

 SCOTUS ruled that LEO can instruct drivers to exit their vehicles during a traffic stop without needing additional probable cause or reasonable suspicion. This ruling expanded in Wilson to include passengers.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/434/106/

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/519/408/


 We may not like how this is applied, but opinion won't change facts right?
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Reply #12 - Today at 06:21:50
 
ICE is NOT general law enforcement. They can only accost people they suspect of immigration violations unless they have a warrant. The thug executed a US citizen. Obama deported more people than Trump, and those were actual criminals. And he did it without his thugs shooting anyone in the head.





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Reply #13 - Today at 07:09:55
 
This is excellent.  Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:
"It is clear that US citizens' ignorance of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw and what I know from a professional standpoint. This is long, but please give it a read.
"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.
"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.
"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in 'drive' that is actively trying to leave and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week of any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in 'drive.' That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.
"You can see the wheels are turned, [Renee] backed up and turned them to the right, moved forward a bit to leave, couldn't because an agent was standing in front of her, and continued to try to leave by TURNING HER WHEELS TO THE RIGHT and moving forward. He continually chose to stand there and not allow her to legally leave as she had every single right to do.
The officer pulling on her door and banging on her window and swearing at her had ZERO authority to order her out of her vehicle or attempt to make entry into her vehicle. NONE. A single day of actual training of the legal scope of authority and the LAW would've prevented that from happening.
"You now have a frightened citizen being blockaded by immigration agents (with another person in her vehicle) who had zero obligation to follow legally invalid orders from that agent, being blocked in and having a fully grown, masked man attempting to make entry into her car. If this were reversed, every single person would immediately feel she had every reasonable expectation to fear for her safety. It doesn't matter if she knew it was ICE because the agents weren't even acting in their scope of authority anyway.
"Whether or not she made the right decision by very CLEARLY- based off of how hard her wheels were turned and how low and to the driver corner windshield that shot was fired- trying to drive to the left of that agent is IRRELEVANT in the picture as a whole.
None of this would have happened if those agents had done even one single thing correctly. Not just correctly, but within their legal scope of authority. Every single moment of that interaction was escalated by untrained, unprofessional, procedurally inept "agents" who not only had zero control of themselves but everything around them. And not because they are helpless, but because their actions that did not fall under their scope of power CAUSED this. Their tempers, lack of training, and the knowledge that they can get away with violating their own scope of authority caused this.
"I will always be the first to defend law enforcement when lethal force very clearly is required. But this was not even remotely the case, and as an actual TRAINED professional in that field with experience and understanding of both the law and procedures, there is no justification for this- and it would benefit EVERYONE to actually read up on the laws, scope of authority, and use a single shred of common sense to see that this situation was started, escalated, and caused by the ICE agents involved. I have zero respect for those in power who are ignorant of the scope of their authority and abuse it at the cost of lives around them."





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Reply #14 - Today at 08:48:33
 
ICE is NOT general law enforcement. They can only accost people they suspect of immigration violations unless they have a warrant. The thug executed a US citizen. Obama deported more people than Trump, and those were actual criminals. And he did it without his thugs shooting anyone in the head.

 While I agree with most of this, the simple fact is ICE can order a human out of a vehicle.  While in this case they certainly could have just let these two humans drive away, they chose not to.  They do have every legal authority to remove these humans from the vehicle, and then turn them over to local LEO.  Unless of course the two SCOTUS rulings are fake.

 Instead one human was killed when that human attempted to evade a legal order to exit a vehicle.  Both parties were wrong in this scenario.  The driver contributed to this outcome.  How many humans is ICE killing that get out of a vehicle and comply?  None.  Clearly ICE is not by policy killing US citizens for no reason.

 Also claiming "ICE" killed a human is like saying "Protestors" are all dangerous.  

 
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