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Crank bearing replacement & a few other questi
Yesterday at 03:36:34
 
Hello! After owning an older savage for awhile now, and way too many hours of research. I stumbled across a comment on an old unrelated forum of someone confidently attributing the notorious tensioner/chain issue to the fly wheel side main bearing, causing crank to slightly lift and loosen chain while still in spec and even cause piston to run out of line. Having the obsessive struggle I do, I now have L & R side old stock oem crank bearings lol. My first question is just if anyone has heard this or gone down this route before ? Logically it makes sense to me but you never know. Secondly, if in theory the piston has been running slightly out of line, would only correcting the bearings straighten it and disrupt its slight deviancy causing possible seal issues ? And 3rd, does the crankcase use any sort of premade gasket or is it just rtv sealed ? If you took the time to read this, thanks! I know its a mouthful.  Smiley
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Reply #1 - Yesterday at 04:15:46
 
The crank bearings are very durable and failure is not common.

I seriously doubt the crank bearings have any affect on the length and durability of the cam chain.  If the crank bearings get loose or sloppy, there will be a very loud banging noise every time the piston goes up and down!

For years the loose cam chain was blamed on the chain stretching - one of our forum members named "DragBikeMike" has pretty much debunked that possibility with his very thorough modification and testing on his bike.  The real cause of the cam chain movement and tensioner failure is the rear cam chain guide loses its' curve over time.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1593671973/0


His cure is to install a "Jack Bolt" in the cylinder that allows adjustment of the curve in the cam chain guide without taking anything apart.  This modification is beyond the ability of most of us "mortals" - but it is a good fix.  (I will post a link here as soon as I find it).

NOTE:  Care and feeding of the Suzuki Savage is well documented on this forum - there are several old and gray haired people who are very knowledgeable on this forum and they are very helpful.  I have seen lots of other places where the folks offering to help you work on your Savage have little or no mechanical experience - and they often give bad (or wrong) advice.
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Reply #2 - Yesterday at 15:44:15
 
Just the kind of info I was looking for, thanks Dave!
I will contemplate the achievability of this mod vs sticking with the standard adjuster extension.
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Reply #3 - Today at 14:32:19
 
Hey Slushy, you can find the info on the chain guide jack bolt in this old post.  Those chains don't wear out.  As Dave mentioned, the rear guide loses its arc.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1567201633

It is highly unlikely that you have a problem with your main bearings (left or right).  I have destroyed two left-side main bearings, but those failures were caused by lack of lubrication.  The failures were self-inflicted wounds.  I was running a DR650 cam without oil holes in the cam lobes.  Those oil holes provide the lube for the left-side main bearing.  If you are running a stock cam then I doubt you have any sort of issue with the left-side main bearing.  Even if you did have a bad main bearing, I doubt it would have any effect on your cam chain.

After 97K miles, numerous engine failures of all sorts including failed main bearings, a variety of engine configurations with high lift cams and heavy valve springs, the stock cam chain is still within wear limits.  It can take it.
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Reply #4 - Today at 15:38:59
 
Hey Mike! Thank you for all the extra info/experience with that. I have a bad habit of repairing things that don't need it. This time I have decided to forget the main bearings for now tho, thanks your guy's R & D. I did end up with a mix of half & half oil and gas last time it was being ridden due to a sticking float but I don't think it was long or lack of lube enough to effect any bearings. Originally tore down to address a bottom side sounding ticking issue I expected to be chain tension, I need to bolt the tensioner back up and verify how I found the chain (don't quite remember). Once I have fully addressed chain tension and have buttoned back up with valve adjustment, If sound is still there would suspect tranny. Thankfully I parts savage i recently picked up if so. Cheers!
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