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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7332 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: MN ICE shooting Reply #30 - Yesterday at 11:12:55 [quote author=456E6E6F676E780B0 link=1769314988/15#28 date=1769523201]All Trumpedo supporters are delusiona STOP the madness this isn't IRAN!
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 10040	Re: MN ICE shooting Reply #31 - Yesterday at 19:27:47 STOP the madness this isn't IRAN! No kidding. A lot more people would be dead if it were.
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Reply #32 - Today at 03:33:51

WebsterMark wrote on 01/26/26 at 17:00:18:

zeven wrote: I've seen the video, and I see murder, and I think it should be judged accordingly.

Are you suggesting this officer be tried for first degree murder? Much in the same way as someone who plotted, planned, shot someone who had wronged him, hid the body and conducted a cover up to get away with it? Try him the same as OJ Simpson for example?

I saw him grab his gun to deliberately shoot him. He pulled the trigger multiple times, emptying his gun into him while was trying to prevent injustice by filming with a phone.

That's murder with premeditation.

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Reply #33 - Today at 04:39:38

zevenenergie wrote on Today at 03:33:51:

WebsterMark wrote on 01/26/26 at 17:00:18:

zeven wrote: I've seen the video, and I see murder, and I think it should be judged accordingly.

Are you suggesting this officer be tried for first degree murder? Much in the same way as someone who plotted, planned, shot someone who had wronged him, hid the body and conducted a cover up to get away with it? Try him the same as OJ Simpson for example?

I saw him grab his gun to deliberately shoot him. He pulled the trigger multiple times, emptying his gun into him while was trying to prevent injustice by filming with a phone.

That's murder with premeditation.

No, you don’t see that. You see a scuffle with 5 or 6 officers getting a handle on him. Alex moves in a way that his jacket comes up and one officer sees he has a gun. He yells “gun” and grabs it. When hearing gun yelled, another off begins to pull his. Then the first officer is backing out of the fight with the gun in his hand, it fires. Thinking Alex is firing, the officer fires “back” .

This is not murder, there’s nothing premeditated. It was a response in a stressful situation.

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Reply #34 - Today at 05:48:07

So Omar said:

"... Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., said during a Tuesday press conference that one thing ICE has succeeded in doing is making Minneapolis residents love the police. ..."

Does that mean,
residents were afraid of,
scared of, and hated,
Police before ?

HONEST people do NOT FEAR Police.

Before the, "HONEST people do NOT FEAR Police" is challenged.
Criminals FEAR Police.
Illegals FEAR Police.
And their are some,'bad', police.

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Reply #35 - Today at 05:49:26

This isn't a response; it's a clear choice.

First, they created this stressful situation. Second, he had a firearms permit and made no effort to draw his weapon. The situation was entirely created by the ICE staff. And seeing a weapon is not a reason to empty your gun.

Wanting to arrest people because they violated immigration laws is entirely justified.
Excessive force in these cases is only used in self-defense, and that wasn't the case here.
And if you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, you shouldn't work there.

This is murder.

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Reply #37 - Today at 06:05:30

I saw him grab his gun to deliberately shoot him. He pulled the trigger multiple times, emptying his gun into him while was trying to prevent injustice by filming with a phone.

That's murder with premeditation.

Right here is the problem in my opinion. You did not see that - you just want that to be what happened. They never shot him with his own gun for instance. Nobody fired Pretti's gun multiple times.

There is no evidence ICE targeted Alex Pretti for execution - you just want it to be that way so you can say "premeditated murder".

ICE is not trained, nor should they be, for managing group protests. Properly trained DCT's should. This is an unfortunate circumstance, however one takes a risk when they choose to engage with armed humans in volitile situations.

And if you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, you shouldn't go to a protest armed.

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Reply #38 - Today at 06:08:48

(paragraphs are,
Absolute, Question, Opinion, OBSERVED REALITY)

So in your own words, not mine because I never once said or implied this: The OBSERVED REALITY portion is "not really real." This is an opinion based on my Observed Reality. As such it should not be used as a qualifier for the accuracy of verifiable data - such as the words contained in posts on this forum for instance.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Online Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10679 Minn Gender:	Re: MN ICE shooting Reply #39 - Today at 06:33:06 So Omar said: "... Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., said during a Tuesday press conference that one thing ICE has succeeded in doing is making Minneapolis residents love the police. ..." Does that mean, residents were afraid of, scared of, and hated, Police before ? Waiting for a EXPLANATION from the Fairy Dust Sprinkling WOKE DFI's
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 10040	Re: MN ICE shooting Reply #40 - Today at 06:37:25 Fairy Dust Sprinkling WOKE DFI's In your opinion.
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