justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/25/12 at 17:57:19:


Here's the wording...
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

As I said,.. The founders didn't want a standing army... they wanted the people to defend the country...
So they said there should be no infringement to bearing arms...
.. but, this provision was when they planned no standing army.  Now, there is one...
.. and now, "arms" can range from muzzle-loaders to nukes...

We still allow guns for private use,.. hunting, target shooting, home defense, etc...
But there is no longer provision for a militia... instead, we can enact a draft, into the military...

So,.. the argument, for purposes of this discussion at least,.. is, what is limit of personal armament?...
Obviously,.. not nukes,.. or missiles,... but just as obvious, something for personal protection, and sport...
I don't see the AR-15 with 100 round clip as reasonable for either...
No, weapons expert would recommend an AR-15 for either use... it is spray weapon meant for clearing an area,.. not for hunting a single animal or eliminating a civilian threat that is endangering innocent lives.
I suppose the NRA and others would disagree,.. but the military wouldn't...  

PS... glad we're good... ...

Jog I've listened to a lot of G. Edward Griffin since you made me aware of him. I believe a lot of what he says but Sew is dead on when it comes to Alex Jones. If Rush ever took enough drugs to sleep with a crackhoe Alex Jones is what would have popped out.

All these arguments are theory.  What SHOULD the law be?  How do we FEEL about guns?  What does the C mean?

This is simply discussion, not reality, and, unfortunately, all too often makes for some really stupid legislation.

So many aspects of reality get shoved aside in these debates:
-- Wackos are wackos and there is nothing anyone can do to stop a wacko if he really wants to do some damage.  "Gun control" is irrelevant.
-- Criminals are criminals.  By the very definition of the term, these folks do NOT obey laws.  More laws aimed at gun restrictions are irrelevant for criminals and affect only people who obey laws, and law-abiders are not the problem.  Laws aimed at increasing penalties for criminals using guns in the commission of a crime may have some effect,... at least these types of laws do not penalize law-abiders.
-- In the U.S., every single time (no exceptions) gun laws make things more restrictive on people who tend to obey laws, the crime-rate goes up.
-- In the U.S., every single time (no exceptions) gun laws make guns more available to people who tend to obey laws, the crime-rate goes down.
-- Putting arbitrary restrictions on weapons has absolutely no effect on human misery.  Barrel length, stock length, magazine capacity, military appearance, caliber, noise suppressed or not, rate of fire,... restrictions on these things are dreamed up by self-styled crusaders trying to show their voters they are doing something about crime.  They have no effect on crime at all.  This not opinion.

OOopsies,, too bad,, my rights arent up for a vote,,& will not be. The reason for the 2nd amendment isnt for hunting or defending the home, its for defending from a tyrannical government, how others manage to read the 2nd differently is beyond me,

Midnightrider wrote on 07/25/12 at 21:03:25:




You know, Ive read this a few times & Ive just got to say youre just wrong. AJ gets excited about things, but heres a challenge for you. POint out what he has said that you can prove is wrong. & dont go runnin to 9/11,, becauise theres still plenty of argument on that one,
I cant accept the oFISHYal version on that mess, or Oklahoma City,

Considering Jamaica has banned guns and even having ammo gets you jail time how is it they have a homicide rate almost ten times that of the US?
Or Switzerland with 90% of households having an fully automatic assault rifle having a murder rate 1/3 of Canada's?

Well NOW ya done it,,

I have owned guns all my life, when I try to analyze the situation we are in right now I get a headache.. On one hand I think if someone want a 105 Howitzer in their home, fine, just know how to use it, and don't aim it at my house.

On the other hand we all have to have a drivers license to drive a car, a proficiency test to operate one.. I believe the NRA has turned into a political power that only wants to put guns in every idiots hands it can, it used to be about safety and promoting the sport.. I have a CCP, I hate to have to carry all the time, had to do this in a war zone, has America become a war zone?