Not one reply?
Am I wrong on this?
What is the difference?
Anybody.......????

pg wrote on 04/30/17 at 19:54:14:


Wow, that is heavy. Who wins in such a scenario?

T And T Garage wrote on 05/01/17 at 05:10:34:


Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear.
If a gay person is struggling with their sexual identity, and for whatever reason they believe they would feel more intuned to a heterosexual relationship, why is not as accepted as straight to gay choice?

I read most homosexual folk have had sex with the opposite sex, but heterosexual folks rarely experience sex with a person of their own sex.
So I am thinking their must be questions they have re: their orientation....
That is what prompted my question, not judging anyone, not my job, only trying to learn  

You are assuming a great deal.....
First, I know gay people, many.
My brother-in-law was gay.
He died of AIDS, as many of his friends I knew that lived in Long Beach, Ca, and San Francisco.
I had very deep discussions with him and his friends, on the subject.
I have shared here before, he once remarked he would not wish a homosexual lifestyle on his worse enemy, however, he said he wouldn't change who he is.......WHOA, do you get that?
I have challenged one of my best friends, who happens to be a pastor, who says he would deny a gay couple ghe opportunity to hear his sermon....
I bought my house from a lady who came out, and have referred her many times to buyers and sellers.
The island where I live has a thriving gay community and is well known.

I have no problem with it, and matter of fact would be more comfortable with a gay man leading the Boy Scouts on a camping trip than a straight dude taking the Girl Scouts...

Anyway, I'm not sure if you even want to understand my question, but thanks for engaging.

raydawg wrote on 05/01/17 at 08:35:32:


It boils down to one of the words you used - "choice", and the phrase you used - "If you are straight, you are heralded if you become Gay, or Lesbian.".  

There is no choice in the matter.  People are who they are.  Did you have to choose who to be sexually attracted to?  I didn't.  My gay friends didn't.  There is no such thing as a heterosexual just "becoming gay".

So the last part of your question I glossed over - my bad.  But to give my 2 cents - of all the homosexuals I've known - I have never met one that struggled with his or her "heterosexual tendencies" - and I know none of them would ever think about any therapy.  I do know some bi-sexual people (not directly) that have struggled to find a life partner.  But again, they know who they are sexually.

Any therapy I've ever seen has been driven by the self proclaimed "decent" people of society - not by homosexuals themselves.  Like I said - these are things driven by our society not accepting them.

I had those discussions.
He said some are militant and angry.
Some Bi-sexual, and some just want to try different stuff.
Some very promiscuous, some very committed, uh, sounds like heteros  
He said the cause is NOT one size fits all, and certain things can contribute to a persons sexuality.
He cited how a girl with an non-existent, or dysfunctional, farther daughter relationship, might try to use sex to fill that void, and therefor not experience the more fulfilling and sustainable relationship a "normal" relationship can provide.

Again, I am not even challenging the factors that homosexuality, IS, the "norm" for a person that is Gay.
Nor am I dismissing the the effects society has/had, placed on these issues.
They are very real, and a contributing factor indeed.
Just like the little girl and her screwed up dad.

I am asking why is it frowned upon by those who promote openness ( I use the term loosely ) when someone, for "whatever" reason, seeks to go from Gay, to straight?
I can't tell you why they would, nor can you, even tho you said in all your associations you never met a Gay person who had such a problem....
Surely you do not pretend you speak for everyone, are you?

I googled the question, and I found this article in the New York Times.
Read it, please.
Seems there must be some folk, not just kids and their parents, or religious zealots, who have sought this kind of therapy....
Look at the staunch "against" it at all cost, some open-minded to sexual identity studies, therapy, etc, exhibit against it.
Why?
Its not a choice, right.....
Are we to deny a person in need of it so they can find their "true" sexual identity?
I know many mitigating circumstances have influences over many factors in our life, who we are, believe, become.
To say its its either black, or white, is an absolute, and I believe just plain wrong.    

Read this, I read a lot of anger, and double standard.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/us/politics/mike-pence-and-conversion-ther...

T And T Garage wrote on 05/01/17 at 09:33:37:


A young persons well being in their developmental years should be more important.  If you want to hang out with trannies in the rest room feel free, or maybe you do.....

Best regards,