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Who has killed more?
08/22/18 at 15:01:44
 
Radical Islam like ISIS, or the Catholic Church?

How can you even gauge, measure, the damage certain priest visited on children?
How can any organization not acknowledge it outright?

How can all this molestations, coming to light be allowed to exist without some serious consequences?

Yes, I believe many, many, folks have been served by the church in a positive way....
However, that does not subtract from the overall charge and claims of the Church, for it is a organization of centralized power/control.

Please, without hype, or scorn, tell me, how did this ever go on for so long?
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Reply #1 - 08/22/18 at 15:10:47
 
Historically,... Christianity...
But,... it got a 1500 year head start...
This century,.. still Christians.
Islam is catching up, but a long row to hoe...

PS... I'm not saying this,.. I just Googled it. Huh
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/which-religion-most-violent/
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Reply #2 - 08/22/18 at 15:20:20
 
I believe those numbers include catholic....

BTW, the question in all fairness was rhetorical.
It had more to do with my disgust at the gushing over the “pope” etc, as a moral authority, etc.
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Reply #3 - 08/22/18 at 16:02:57
 

 I think there's two primary factors that make something like this go on for an extended period of time.  There's more than that but I think starting with two is good enough.

 First many children are not educated at a young age what grooming, molestation or abuse from people they know is.  "Stanger Danger" is what most programs teach and that ignores people we know as being identified as potential abusers, which is the most likely to happen.

 Second is that groups protect their own, and have no responsibility to report, criminal activity becomes rampant.
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Reply #4 - 08/22/18 at 17:19:28
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/22/18 at 15:10:47:
Historically,... Christianity...
But,... it got a 1500 year head start...
This century,.. still Christians.
Islam is catching up, but a long row to hoe...

PS... I'm not saying this,.. I just Googled it. Huh
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/which-religion-most-violent/
https://www.juancole.com/images/2013/04/relviolence.jpg



A little problem with this graph,
They left off Mao China.
60 to 80 Million killed in the great leap forward, few of them European Christian background.

Also little to none of the wars during the 20th century were over religion except to try to eradicate them. (Hitler"s death camps , Stalin's gulag )
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Reply #5 - 08/22/18 at 17:38:04
 
Eegore wrote on 08/22/18 at 16:02:57:
 I think there's two primary factors that make something like this go on for an extended period of time.  There's more than that but I think starting with two is good enough.

 First many children are not educated at a young age what grooming, molestation or abuse from people they know is.  "Stanger Danger" is what most programs teach and that ignores people we know as being identified as potential abusers, which is the most likely to happen.

 Second is that groups protect their own, and have no responsibility to report, criminal activity becomes rampant.


Thanks....
Your second observation  I can readily agree with.
Your first one, not so sure.
Let’s call it intimidated, but why?
Where is the communication of a child to their parents?
I don’t believe it’s a simple answer.

I will tell this story, and let others come to their own conclusions, as how seemingly innocent “justifications” can really have a unforeseen consequence.

The 60’s.
Friday evening in the suburbs.
Couples join together in enjoying cocktails at a revolving neighbors house.
They are gathered in the living room, moods and conversations improve as the 2nd and 3rd rounds of drinks progress.
The hosting couple have a small son, Johnny.
He was instructed to stay in his bedroom until the guest left.
He didn’t.
Looking in the mirror, he found his nose, ran out into the crowd holding it.
Folks laughed at him, telling him he had such a perfect nose.
The parents beamed, even tho Johnny didn’t listen.

Johnny ran out of the room, only to return holding his ear.
Same results, he got all the attention!
He left.
He returned, only now he is holding his dong......
Folks just clammed up, uncomfortable, his parents livid and embarrassed.
The dad grabbed Johnny, dragging him off to his room.
His dad scolding him while in a drunken state, harsh and blunt, and beyond Johnny’s ability to comprehend.

It was never talked about again.
Johnny grew up having personality conflicts related to sexuality issues, which manifested itself in other matters that were not even of sexual nature.

Do you understand?
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Reply #6 - 08/22/18 at 19:27:03
 
 I understand but I don't think children chastised by drunk dads are a larger statistical number than domestic sexual abuse victims.
 
 Lack of youth education programs designed to teach children that people they know are more likely to abuse them in various ways at stages throughout their lives than people they have never met before have a linear and statistical methodology.  Part of that is because of how extremely common it is.     

 Stranger Danger is taught, the Priest/Uncle/Boyfriend/Cousin/Dad/Friend's Sister/Teacher/Coach etc. is not typically taught even though all those people damage more children than strangers ever do.



 
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Reply #7 - 08/22/18 at 20:18:27
 
Why is that?

Again, I think my story/example might illustrate it......
People feel uncomfortable, embarrassed, wishing, "hoping" it will be forgotten, go away.

What you think?

I don't believe its sinister, however, it is devious and dishonest, and it shifts the "problem" to the victim, in a sense, "they" have to get over it....?????

I believe I read a article where these kids who were molested ended up molesting others themselves.
I am sure you have seen reports of how a boy who grows up with a dad who beats his mother/wife, will often beat his wife later in life to, yes? 
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Reply #8 - 08/22/18 at 21:05:28
 

 Maybe we are talking about the same thing.

 I am saying that there isn't education readily available that implicates people children know as potential abusers.  Instead the readily available programs focus on people the children have never met.

 I feel as long as children are not educated that people they know can hurt them, and that it is wrong, then there's going to be a continual problem especially in organizations like churches where clergy, or any trusted individual is held to a standard so high that its essentially disbelief from parents and children alike that that trusted member would harm children.

They are concerned about the one in a million chance of a pedophile offering them candy from a blacked out van than the thousands of people that the kid will actually meet, like teachers, friends and church leaders.

 There is reciprocating cycles of abuse like domestic violence and sexual abuse of children, but I was trying to tie in my assessment of religious application to education of youth as per the original topic posted in this thread.  Cyclical abuse over generations is a broad scope and I am not sure is as prominent in religious propagation of sexual abuse as poor education at young ages is.
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Reply #9 - 08/22/18 at 21:26:56
 
Gotcha.....

I am not sure where we can lay the blame, or if it would even bring resolutions to this issue.
You give a good example of teaching about the possibilities of a "stranger" being the one to worry about, when it is, like rape of a woman, a person the victim knows, to one degree or another.

Hopefully with the advent of addressing "sexuality" issues and concerns from a strict adherence of "one size fits all" ( no pun intended...well, maybe just a wee bit )  to a better understanding that it is as diverse as the many people who are sexual creatures.
Our understanding will improve, with the openness that can remove the stigma.....????  

Good night  Smiley
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Reply #11 - 08/22/18 at 23:40:33
 
"And though Trump’s concern is for Jewish people being the subjects of persecution by “radical Islamic preachers,” it is not the radical Muslims I’m worried about as a Jew living in America. There’s plenty of hatred and anti-Semitism in the Muslim world, but the kind I receive around the clock doesn’t come from Muslims. It comes from Trump’s white, Christian supporters. I would much rather he address the persecution of Jewish journalists by his own followers, some of whom freely interweave Christian symbols, white power references, and violent threats in their communications. But Trump doesn’t address them and he certainly doesn’t disavow them. He said he has “no message” for them. Just for the radical Muslims."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/14/if-islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-so-is-ch
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Reply #12 - 08/23/18 at 07:27:31
 
The post was specific.
It wasn't about Mao.
Its not about all religions.
Its not about Trump's failure to call out hateful Christians, or Obama's failure to call out hateful Muslims.

Again, for clarity, its about a centralized power, the Vatican, and its apparent decades, if not longer, failure to address a problem within its organization.
My posting was my attempt at finding out the why's, and how's, with the hope of ensuring societies don't fall victim to such traps, of centralized powers, under the guise of "preaching" they care.

Please, if you can keep your comments within that parameter, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
 
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Reply #13 - 08/23/18 at 07:49:52
 
Institutionally,.. I think the Church acts much like any other institution...
It protects itself...

On a more personal level,...
It's easy to see the attraction of a lifestyle that permits trusted access to children for a pedophile...
... but,.. if you have even an inkling of suspicion that there is a god that watches you and will punish you eternally for immoral actions,... how could anyone do such things to the most innocent among us?...
 
I know it is said that God forgives all things,.. but if you are committing the act, knowing you will use God's "get out of jail free" card,... I don't think a god is going to let you slide.

If he does,... he's not a god worthy of consideration...
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Reply #14 - 08/23/18 at 07:56:59
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/23/18 at 07:49:52:
Institutionally,.. I think the Church acts much like any other institution...
It protects itself...

On a more personal level,...
It's easy to see the attraction of a lifestyle that permits trusted access to children for a pedophile...
... but,.. if you have even an inkling of suspicion that there is a god that watches you and will punish you eternally for immoral actions,... how could anyone do such things to the most innocent among us?...
 
I know it is said that God forgives all things,.. but if you are committing the act, knowing you will use God's "get out of jail free" card,... I don't think a god is going to let you slide.

If he does,... he's not a god worthy of consideration...


Well put Sero!
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