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ThumperPaul Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2156 Houston, Texas Gender:	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #15 - 01/26/24 at 15:20:24 Here’s the list, Youzguyz. And change that stinky oil! https://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf I even looked under “Sopus Products”.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28996 L.A. California Gender:	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #16 - 01/26/24 at 17:34:11 In the notes it says that may not precisely copy the marketing label. So that would imply that the label on the product would supersede this list as far as whether or not it belongs on the list.
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Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic
Reply #17 - 01/27/24 at 05:24:33

The label on the jug is carefully worded. It first lists the actual approvals and then says “meets the requirements of” where it then lists JASO MA/MA2. Shell’s lawyers at work. I suspect Shell just hasn’t spent the time, money, and effort to get the actual approvals.

The JASO list is updated as of 2024. When I looked at this last year, Shell products weren’t on the list either. If Rotella is actually approved, I’m sure Shell would make sure their products are on the list. The big 4 sure got a lot of ink in the publication. Motul isn’t shy or too far behind either.

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Gary_in_NJ Serious Thumper Offline LS650 Cafe Racer Posts: 2642 Amongst the Twisty Roads	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #18 - 01/27/24 at 05:31:36 3,000 miles is as long as you want to go on an air cooled engine.
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ThumperPaul Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2156 Houston, Texas Gender:	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #19 - 01/27/24 at 06:02:08 I agree, Gary. Especially on a hard working thumper. When I was into dirt bikes, they got an oil change about every 20 hours of run time. That probably equates to something like 400-600 miles. Most of them only took 1 quart of oil - not a big expense and easy to do. Those bikes got dogged hard!
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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2825	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #20 - 01/27/24 at 18:44:24 Not quite an "oil war" yet. We'll go with "oil conflict". Carry on.
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Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic
Reply #21 - 01/28/24 at 03:42:43

Gary_in_NJ wrote on 01/27/24 at 05:31:36:

3,000 miles is as long as you want to go on an air cooled engine.

I have also seen videos of mechanics warning about changing oil in your car when the "Oil Life" computer tells you to. They believe the interval the car calculates is way too long. The V6 engines are having cam chain and guide wear issues at 100,000 miles, and the replacement job is labor intensive and costs several thousand dollars.

They recommend staying with 5,000 mile oil and filter changes.....ignore your computer.

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Reply #22 - 01/28/24 at 03:53:59

Carrying on! Grin

The way I understand it, JASO (Japanese Automotive Standards Organization) does not actually test anything. They just supply the standards for a given specification:
https://360.lubrizol.com/Specifications/JASO/JASO-MA2

The manufacturer can formulate product that meets (or exceeds) those specifications and can then state (as seen on the T6 bottle) "Meets the performance requirements of:" followed by the alphabet soup, including JASO MA/MA2.

IF said manufacturer wants to be able to include the OFFICIAL JASO tag on their labeling, they need to send test results (and formulation?) to JASO. JASO sends them a confirmation letter, manufacturer returns it, and the product is put on the list.

In that regard, "Meets the performance requirements of:", on Rotella T6 is OK by me. (especially since I have 3 gallons of it).

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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18314 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #23 - 01/28/24 at 08:40:37 I just looked at my wife's car with the Ecoboost 2.0. I changed the oil and reset the "Oil Life" computer a while ago. The car has gone 2,752 miles and it shows that 73% of the oil life is left. At that rate the oil change will not be due until 11,000 miles! I will change it at 5,000 miles.
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5401 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #24 - 01/28/24 at 08:57:05 You guys on the verge of an oil war and no one called me !!! Slowly I turn , inch by inch , step by step
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18314 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #25 - 01/28/24 at 10:13:10 You can't have a war if everyone is on the same side!
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5401 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #26 - 01/28/24 at 11:12:42 You forgot , I can always play the devil’s advocate. For a minute , for fun ! Makes for good reading.
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18314 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic Reply #27 - 01/28/24 at 11:52:47 Ruttly wrote on 01/28/24 at 11:12:42: You forgot , I can always play the devil’s advocate. For a minute , for fun ! Makes for good reading. I am gifted with the ability to move, hide or delete stuff!!!!!!
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Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic
Reply #28 - 01/29/24 at 06:03:09

Dave wrote on 01/28/24 at 10:13:10:

You can't have a war if everyone is on the same side!

I'd happily change Rotella around every 5000kms if the bloody thing would be available. I'm 100% sure that a man can find something absolutely similar, maybe even from a LOTOS or ORLEN blending plant that would go for chips in every petrol station / tractor store nearby. But It seems to be awfully difficult to get any decent information on oils. Like Zddp content. (JASO MA is available, though truck oils rarely get tested on it.... I really do wonder If a locally produced dino juice is any different from Rotella... After all, we are using them in pretty much the same hardware. I might ask a driver next time i go for the Czech truck trial. (Check it out guys, you gonna love it.) If something works for an 8x8 truck with V8 aircooled turbodiesel whipped up the side of sand quarry... It might work in the Savage too. Cheesy

FinnHammer: That oil is totally unknown here, sadly. The local fleabay have not even heard about it.

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Re: ShellRotella T6 10w/30 Full Synthetic
Reply #29 - 01/29/24 at 10:16:39

Are y'all saying oil life indicators aren't based on onboard lab testing equipment?

The manual for my F-150 says 7,500 miles intervals using synthetic blend. When the truck was still under warranty, it was allowed to go to the dealership for free oil changes. Service Tech said the interval was 5,000 miles and showed me his computer screen of the 'service manual' that said 5,000. Seems Ford can't even agree in their own literature and manuals what the right interval is.

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