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Reply #30 - 02/20/24 at 15:45:51
 
If the locating dowels are on the crankcase side....then put the gasket on the dowels before you put the cover in place.

If the dowel(s) are on the cover......see if you can move them to the crankcase side.
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Reply #31 - 02/20/24 at 19:29:20
 
I put the dowels on the crankcase side and then put the gasket in place using the dowels to hold the gasket in place (or so I thought).  (your option 1).  I also put a light smear of grease on the gasket to tack it on the mating surface.

I've got a new OEM gasket coming.  Hopefully its a better thickness and better cut.  And I just need to make sure it's situated perfectly this time.
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Reply #32 - 02/21/24 at 00:08:36
 
I would make sure that the ring that you slid over the gear axle has the correct thickness so that the crankcase can actually close.

And if I had lost that ring and I saw Dave's photo, I would have pulled off the flywheel and then fished in the crankcase with a small neodinium magnet on a throttle cable (taped with JBweld) until I was sure that there isn't a ring wandering anywhere in my engine.
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Reply #33 - 02/21/24 at 05:18:30
 
Thanks Zevenenergie.  I thought about the thickness of the Ace hardware washer I installed and it possibly preventing a solid seal around the cover due to excessive thickness.  It “looked” the same thickness as the inner washer, but my eyesight isn’t great, I didn’t measure, and we are talking micrometers making a difference.  Here’s the brain dead thing about that …. I had put an exact correct washer in my Partzilla.com shopping cart 2 weeks ago when I discovered it was missing on the bike (or swapped out for an o-ring)…. When I put the gasket in my cart the other day, I saw it.  It didn’t click in my head. I forgot what the washer was for and removed it from my cart not remembering or realizing what it was for or why I put it in my cart.  I’m getting senile.

So the Ace Hardware washer is going to get filed and buffed a tad thinner before reinstalling just in case it’s the root cause of a poor seal.  Thanks for reminding me about the stupid washer!
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Reply #34 - 02/21/24 at 07:16:13
 
You should compare the Ace washer to the one that is already in there, as they need to be the same.  https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/suzuki/motorcycle/2002/savage-ls650p/starte...
From what I am reading, the thickness is 1.0 mm.
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Reply #35 - 02/21/24 at 17:44:27
 
youzguyz wrote on 02/21/24 at 07:16:13:
You should compare the Ace washer to the one that is already in there, as they need to be the same.  https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/suzuki/motorcycle/2002/savage-ls650p/starte...
From what I am reading, the thickness is 1.0 mm.
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Or, you could just order the correct washer and a spare gasket or some other maintenance items you know you'll need (if you need to justify shipping costs).

I would never use an OEM equivalent or performance part on an engine.  I wouldn't trust the quality of that washer.  Especially after you grind it down.  Every bit of that engine is machined to a higher tolerance and uses higher quality materials than anything you're going to get at ACE.  

And I love ACE!   Half of my motorcycle is built wither their hardware, but not in my engine.  
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Reply #36 - 02/21/24 at 17:51:41
 
Hey what are the torque specs on the bolts for this cover? Is it the same as the clutch side?

As a side note -- I just pulled mine to remove debris from chiseling through the timing port plug to replace that with a hex head version (and adjust valves). The old gasket was SERIOUSLY stuck to the crank case. I had to carefully scrape away at this with a razor blade before putting the new gasket on -- outside on a busy sidewalk, mind you. Not fun. I'm thankful I had the foresight to buy the replacement gasket, I was about to try and reuse the old one before seeing exactly how worn out it was.

Seems to be dripping a tiny bit of oil -- may not have gotten all of the old gasket off....
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Reply #37 - 02/21/24 at 18:18:12
 
OhioMoto - see above.  I ordered the new OEM gasket and like an idiot I removed the correct washer from the shopping cart.

I really don't think it's the washer.  See my solution above, but I may go ahead and order the $2 washer and another $9 shipping charge.

Sorry SurvivingPhilly - glad you got the new gasket.  It should be an easy swap, but nothing ever works out easy.

The Clymer manual doesn't distinguish left from right.  It just says 6mm crankcase bolts 9-13 N.m. (6.5 - 9.5 Ft-lb).  I cranked mine down to 13n.m.
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Reply #38 - 02/22/24 at 09:14:17
 
I love Partzilla.com.  And they probably love me too with all the $$ I’ve dropped there.  New washer (on back, back, back order slip) and a few other bolts I want are being shipped for free!  I’m so tickled - I haven’t gotten anything for free in a long time!
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Reply #39 - 02/22/24 at 18:42:26
 
Oh, I missed that part (of forgot).  Sorry. Smiley
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Re: Alternator-Side Engine Cover
Reply #40 - 02/27/24 at 07:35:21
 
Philly - I'm definitely getting senile.  I did make and use a bolt template when I replaced the gasket on the stator side.  I suffered the mistake of copying the prior owner by putting bolts in the wrong holes and not having a true #17.  Don't mimic errors!!
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Reply #41 - 02/27/24 at 07:41:09
 
New OEM gasket.  This is interesting.  They only put the pre-applied sealant where the stator wires come out.

1) obviously a place prone to leak...
2) too cheap to put sealant all the way around...

Some things just make me shake my head!  All of the Chinese dirt bikes I've worked on put the stator wire exist on TOP of the cover.  Smarter design to me as you won't get a leak due to gravity or momentum to the lower rear side.
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Re: Alternator-Side Engine Cover
Reply #42 - 02/27/24 at 09:23:12
 
Item 14 - p/n 01547-06257 - bolt 6x25
Item 15 - p/n 01547-06357 - bolt 6x35
Item 16 - p/n 01547-06457 - bolt 6x45
Item 17 - p/n 01547-06507 - bolt 6x50


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Re: Alternator-Side Engine Cover
Reply #43 - 02/27/24 at 10:10:48
 
Thanks for doing that Verslagen!!  Cool!

You answered my question about the length of #17!  Glad to see its a nice long 50mm.  I'm waiting for mine in the mail!  I'm on the right path to getting this side 100% leak free!!
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Reply #44 - 02/27/24 at 18:56:24
 
verslagen1 wrote on 02/27/24 at 09:23:12:
Item 14 - p/n 01547-06257 - bolt 6x25
Item 15 - p/n 01547-06357 - bolt 6x35
Item 16 - p/n 01547-06457 - bolt 6x45
Item 17 - p/n 01547-06507 - bolt 6x50


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